tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post1202253099834308403..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: What Is and What Should Never Be: Detective Comics 569Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-35681122170440436872013-06-02T08:44:47.122-05:002013-06-02T08:44:47.122-05:00I look on BAB as a place where we can share the st...I look on BAB as a place where we can share the stuff that brought us joy -what am I saying -that BRINGS us joy!<br /><br />That line made me smile. Thanks Karen!<br /><br />TomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-1818422251243333612013-05-31T15:41:37.563-05:002013-05-31T15:41:37.563-05:00I really believe everyone either subscribes to the...I really believe everyone either subscribes to the popular answer or holds a private opinion regarding the Age beginnings and ends.., so it's all good for discussion but you'll never really get a consensus.<br /><br />DC..? Silver started with Infantino's Flash, Bronze started with GL/GA's adventures, probably ending with last issue of either Crisis or Flash.<br /><br />Marvel..? Silver easily started with FF #1, Bronze started with Kree-Skrull and was in full-swing with Gwen's death, with no particular ending other than either Marvel Team Up final issue (#150) or 'Secret Wars' last issue, both 1985. <br /><br />And since I wasn't collecting much by then (or managed to toss out everything from that time..) anyways, it doesn't really matter to me.<br /><br />david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-50447221419265139332013-05-31T15:40:27.911-05:002013-05-31T15:40:27.911-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-69032498804395517862013-05-31T15:08:43.683-05:002013-05-31T15:08:43.683-05:00Doug, good point about DC: the Silver Age really w...Doug, good point about DC: the Silver Age really was initiated by them in the 1950s. However, I think most of what DC was publishing remained pretty firmly Silver Age until about 1970 or so (even though that veritable harbinger of a new era, Neal Adams, had already started doing some artwork for them before that).<br />By contrast, my personal view is that Marvel showed up late to the party (in '61) but then basically launched the Bronze Age by the late '60s.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-27826152238304451632013-05-31T14:47:52.416-05:002013-05-31T14:47:52.416-05:00DC's Silver Age is far different temporally fr...DC's Silver Age is far different temporally from Marvel's, don't you think? Of course it begins in 1956 when the Golden Age heroes get revamped, but after a time in the early '60's they sort of go on "coast mode" until the "new look" Batman, Neal Adams arrives, etc. Would you say that their Bronze Age began around 1966, or is it something different altogether?Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-54840467339105146352013-05-31T14:27:16.472-05:002013-05-31T14:27:16.472-05:00Garett, I think Davis draws both men and women equ...Garett, I think Davis draws both men and women equally well; to me, he's one of those artists who draw everybody/everything really beautifully.<br />Doug: I have both The Nail (both parts, in fact) and Superboy's Legion, and just recently I found myself thinking that I should really re-read those soon!<br /><br />As for the ongoing debate as to just what constitutes the Bronze Age, I understand entirely why 1985 is taken as its end, although like ol' Groove, I think 1980 is a better cut off point. As for its beginning, as I've said it in other comment threads here, I think at Marvel the Bronze Age started in the late '60s (when Roy Thomas and a few other young guns started doing more of the heavy lifting on the writing side, and Big John, Gentlemen Gene, etc. really came into their own as artists on various titles). 1970 seems like a good starting point for DC and Charlton, though.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-81880197525025902672013-05-31T13:26:01.538-05:002013-05-31T13:26:01.538-05:00Garett --
Not only is JLA: The Nail a good story,...Garett --<br /><br />Not only is JLA: The Nail a good story, but if you get the chance to pick up Superboy's Legion it is worth your time and money as well. In fact, it's worth a re-read for me this summer!<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-41830686000970142382013-05-31T12:59:21.103-05:002013-05-31T12:59:21.103-05:00I love Alan Davis' style, but I think he looks...I love Alan Davis' style, but I think he looks better with a heavier inker.<br /><br />I also like a Batman who isn't a psychotic jerk. I miss that guy.<br /><br />As far as Bronze Age definitions go, it's so subjective, isn't it? Doug and I are in pretty fair agreement on what we want to call Bronze Age here, but that doesn't mean we don't sometimes talk about stuff that falls either before or after. It all probably comes down to your age and what you grew up reading and enjoying. <br /><br />I look on BAB as a place where we can share the stuff that brought us joy -what am I saying -that BRINGS us joy!Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-18975884316251404522013-05-31T12:52:33.259-05:002013-05-31T12:52:33.259-05:00Fun review Doug! I was looking at the Alan Davis B...Fun review Doug! I was looking at the Alan Davis Batman hardcover book just yesterday--is BAB beaming out secret messages to its readers?? : ) I think I'll go back and pick that book up. Now was that my thought, or...?<br /><br />There was another by Davis I remember liking, JLA: The Nail. His curvy style is great for drawing women, not as much for the guys.Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-70161991347542454952013-05-31T11:13:49.064-05:002013-05-31T11:13:49.064-05:00Mr. Oyola --
Karen and I generally use 1970-85 as...Mr. Oyola --<br /><br />Karen and I generally use 1970-85 as "our" Bronze Age. Over at Diversions of the Groovy Kind, ol' Groove uses 1980 as his cut-off point.<br /><br />It's so subjective -- the beginning and ending points can be argued everywhere. I've seen some people argue that the BA actually began at Marvel with their expansion in 1968; to me, Kirby's departure for DC seems a good starting point (1970). I guess one could argue that much of the creativity and envelope-pushing that is such a hallmark of the era ended at Marvel in the late '70's, roughly around the same time as the so-called "DC Implosion". I think the Crisis is a nice stopping point.<br /><br />But then there's the advent of the direct market, the mini-series, etc.<br /><br />Sheesh...<br /><br />Thanks for the comment!<br /><br />Doug Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-72568862305281991652013-05-31T10:59:45.260-05:002013-05-31T10:59:45.260-05:00Yes. This Batman has a very classic look and feel ...Yes. This Batman has a very classic look and feel to it (though I know that the word "classic" is a shibboleth). It is what feels like "classic" to me, I guess.<br /><br />And the Joker is only vaguely recognizable!<br /><br />Tangent: So what range of dates do you guys generally work with for "the Bronze Age"? While I know I am the exception, I am one of those people who is generous and willing to include everything through the late 80s as the Bronze Age - personally, I think the popularity of the Image Comics guys and the founding of that company is the best cut-off (which is even later). So 1970 to 1990 works for me (plus I like round numbers). :)<br /><br />Some historians use the term "The Long 18th Century" to denote that sometimes you cannot easily delineate time periods - I call my way of looking at it "The Long Bronze Age". ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-22606285934360553592013-05-31T09:50:28.267-05:002013-05-31T09:50:28.267-05:00Thanks, Edo!
RE: Batman: Year Two. As Todd McFar...Thanks, Edo!<br /><br />RE: Batman: Year Two. As Todd McFarlane was not yet the star he'd become, I recall being very disappointed to crack open that second issue to find that Davis/Neary had left. The mini-series finished well enough, but many of us have remarked that artist-swapping midstream has always been a major pet peeve!<br /><br />And yes, Mike Barr really wrote a fun Batman, with (as I remarked) a real throwback feel to it.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-70632421975649368012013-05-31T09:38:34.300-05:002013-05-31T09:38:34.300-05:00Thanks for the review, Doug! Haven't read this...Thanks for the review, Doug! Haven't read this, but just a few comments anyway, just because I'm also a big fan of Alan Davis (and Mike, pretty much any woman character drawn by Davis is the most gorgeous version of that character ever). It's really unfortunate that he left Detective after the first issue of the Batman: Year 2 story.<br />Otherwise, I'm a really big fan of Mike Barr on Batman: together with Alan Brennert, he's written several of my very favorite Bat stories. It's too bad Barr didn't become the trend-setter for the way Batman stories were supposed to be written, rather than Miller.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-17693401268450736282013-05-31T09:23:55.417-05:002013-05-31T09:23:55.417-05:00Mike --
The Joker has always been drawn as a long...Mike --<br /><br />The Joker has always been drawn as a long, angular figure, but Davis really stretches that character trait. I think he also adds an effeminate air about the Joker that throws me off a bit, as I don't generally think of him in that way. Aside from that, the rest of the book looks fantastic.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-6465203385080173882013-05-31T09:16:37.020-05:002013-05-31T09:16:37.020-05:00Doug - my only comment so far is to echo you on Al...Doug - my only comment so far is to echo you on Alan Davis' Joker being really "weird-looking". I don't like it at all ... but his Catwoman has to be the most gorgeous Catwoman I've ever seen! <br /><br />I always liked how he drew Batman too, especially with the flowing cape. I'm betting his Batman art had some influence on one of my Detective title favs - Norm Breyfogle.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00772306756607189999noreply@blogger.com