tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post3814810183356017632..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: That Zany Bob Haney: The Brave and the Bold 120Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-50162636836943340712012-05-12T14:10:02.915-05:002012-05-12T14:10:02.915-05:00I've got Kirby Fourth World Omnibus 1 and 2, a...I've got Kirby Fourth World Omnibus 1 and 2, and I've read most of the stories. My own opinion is that he was a a great idea man, but not a very good writer, and he should never have been handling dialog.I don't think the Fourth World stuff is as painful to me as his later Marvel work was, but it may be due to the fact that I have little or nothing invested in it. This was not the case when he returned to Marvel and took one of my favorite comics, Captain America, and just destroyed it. <br /><br />I've only read a couple of issues of Kamandi; I'd like to read more. The premise seems perfect for Kirby to go wild.<br /><br />KarenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-79344368191710120082012-05-12T01:09:07.182-05:002012-05-12T01:09:07.182-05:00Inkstained - re: Kamandi as POTA homage/rip-off. I...Inkstained - re: Kamandi as POTA homage/rip-off. I think DC editorial did indeed want to cash in on the Apes craze going on at the time, but Kirby's Kamandi idea actually pre-dates Planet. Pete Doree mentioned this in a post a few years ago (http://bronzeageofblogs.blogspot.com/2009/05/kamandi-last-boy-on-earth.html), and I'm sure other Kirby-oriented sites/blogs have more info.<br />Doug, in one way or another, either back in the day or more recently, I've been able to read the bulk of Kirby's DC output, and I have to say, it's far better than his subsequent second tenure at Marvel. I definitely agree with you about his Marvel material - I haven't read as much of that, but what I've seen is often indeed painful to read and look at...Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-46492357382201725182012-05-11T20:40:51.840-05:002012-05-11T20:40:51.840-05:00Oop--make that "Mm hmmm"s. Don't wan...Oop--make that "Mm hmmm"s. Don't want to get those confused!Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-41932791410929484142012-05-11T20:36:31.677-05:002012-05-11T20:36:31.677-05:00Awesome! Thanks for the review Doug! Laughed out l...Awesome! Thanks for the review Doug! Laughed out loud at your "Hm mmmm"s!!<br /><br />This review makes me want to go read this again. At one point in Kamandi's series, Kamandi comes across a copy of his comic book as well. No, correct that, it's in issue 4 he's reading a copy of Kirby's Demon. The hardcover reprint of Kamandi 1-20 came out last year, and those are about the issues that I enjoyed as well. Kirby and Haney both had wild imaginations--I wonder how Kirby would've written the Batman/Kamandi teamup?<br /><br />The color looks good on these pages--I like the B+W Showcase, but the color looks at least as good here. I think Haney enjoyed Sgt. Rock as a guest star, so those issues are entertaining as well, especially #124. <br /><br />Interesting connection with the movies. Love the B+B reviews!Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-40102638819232089102012-05-11T19:47:50.774-05:002012-05-11T19:47:50.774-05:00I bought this comic when it came out-- I would hav...I bought this comic when it came out-- I would have been 14, it looks like. DISTINCTLY remember it being a laborious read, and I'm sure that's the only reading it ever had. I was a BIG Kamandi fan for quite awhile, mind you-- and if it wasn't Kirby/Royer doing the art, then it was scarcely more than the attempt of a pretender. But for awhile there, the three titles I was committed to were The Hulk, Werewolf by Night, and Kamandi. Quite the eclectic mix, eh?<br /><br />Kamandi had a dynamic very much like a funhouse corridor of doors. What in the world was going to be behind the next one? Plus, there was an adamant refusal to clearly explain WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE WORLD, ANYHOW??? HOW DID IT GET THIS WAY??? There was a clear and direct statement that it was NOT a nuclear accident or war. I believe the catalytic event was referred to as The Great Disaster-- but geeze, it clearly existed as a mystery for its own sake.<br /><br />Hmm. I imagine there probably was an explanation finally given at some point. . . <br /><br />HBhumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-58017837486883566912012-05-11T13:00:33.732-05:002012-05-11T13:00:33.732-05:00Won't comment much about this type of story, b...Won't comment much about this type of story, but I always wondered about Aparo's Batman ears here.. It must have seemed stylish at the time, but how does Bats keep them from being bent all out of shape with all his ropings, brawls and falls..?<br /><br />Totally impractical, but yes, as a youth, they seemed a bit too pointy.<br /><br />I suppose the same argument can be made for WW's costume staying on during pitched battle, leading many a young boy (and adult) to 'ponder astray'.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-27566895666052983232012-05-11T12:14:20.942-05:002012-05-11T12:14:20.942-05:00Blazes! It's Bob Haney!
It looks like no chal...Blazes! It's Bob Haney!<br /><br />It looks like no challenge was too crazy for Haney to take on. This is another good example of a typical Brave and the Bold from the mid-70's. Haney and Aparo operated like a well-oiled machine by this point. Every issue was consistently entertaining, but might make your head hurt if you started thinking about it later. The amount of plot that Haney packed into these done-in-ones is mind-boggling.<br /><br />I think Haney belongs to the tradition of great pulp writers. He was so adept at building a furious sense of momentum in a story. Because of this, he was able to get away with plot twists that any other writer would probably have been fired for long ago. That, and his contempt for continuity caught up with him in the 80's. But looking back now, his stories are actually aging better than most of DC's output at the time.<br /><br />It's a shame that Haney never got his hands on Doc Savage. He might've been the ideal writer for the Man of Bronze in the 70's. Although, I thought Doug Moench did a fine job in the black 'n' white series.<br /><br />James ChattertonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-25591478821047125282012-05-11T10:40:24.336-05:002012-05-11T10:40:24.336-05:00My understanding is that Kamandi was a direct homa...My understanding is that Kamandi was a direct homage to Planet of the Apes. ("Homage" being French for "rip-off.") DC directed Kirby to create a series like the Apes films and Kamadi was what resulted.<br /><br />This is a fun tale, precisely because it is so insane. "Zany Haney" is, I think, slowly being recognized as a daring and brilliant writer. Aparo was at the height of his powers here.Inkstained Wretchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-59912819637117488872012-05-11T09:10:50.971-05:002012-05-11T09:10:50.971-05:00J.A. --
DC does seem to be making a concerted eff...J.A. --<br /><br />DC does seem to be making a concerted effort to get some Bronze Age material out. I saw today, for example, that the second volume of the <i>Secret Society of Super-Villains</i> is shipping next week. I don't believe I've seen volume 2 of the Aparo book solicited yet, but I'm sure it'll be along the way sometime.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-35961471214282519942012-05-11T08:44:28.443-05:002012-05-11T08:44:28.443-05:00Thanks for posting this review, and the scans. I&...Thanks for posting this review, and the scans. I've been thinking about getting this book, but DC often does weird re-colorings in their reprint books. Looks like that's not the case here. <br />And I'm with Doug, I love Neal Adams',Marshall Rogers' and Frank Miller's takes on Batman, but Aparo is my "definitive" Batman artist. No one else could match his bat ears!<br />It's always bugged me that there were very few tpbs/hardcover reprint books that featured Aparo's work,looks like DC is fixing that now.J.A. Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800901321134394272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-86856992818403682372012-05-11T07:48:42.446-05:002012-05-11T07:48:42.446-05:00Edo --
I really want to read Kirby's DC outpu...Edo --<br /><br />I really want to read Kirby's DC output, for posterity's sake if nothing else. I've read his Marvel work where he had control of the books as writer/artist, and it's somewhat painful. I've heard this about the DC stuff. But, no one can deny his creativity, even if it did border on silly. Were some of that stuff put out by a much younger man, we'd have had to have suspected the presence of LSD or some other hallucinogenic in said creative process!<br /><br />And yes, I did tease on Haney's script, but darned if he didn't find a way to make the team-up <i>somewhat</i> plausible. This makes me want to check out the B&B's with Sgt. Rock.<br /><br />Happy Friday!<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-73629414442373749942012-05-11T07:43:28.085-05:002012-05-11T07:43:28.085-05:00I really like Kamandi. It's arguably the best ...I really like Kamandi. It's arguably the best of Kirby's DC material, and it's certainly the most madcap. Based on your write-up, I'd say Haney found a way to create a team-up story with Batman while staying true to the zany aspect of the actual series. And based on the panels you posted here, it would appear that as usual, Aparo doesn't disappoint.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.com