tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post4523032447606980575..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: BAB Classic Rewind: Inkers -- Just What Should Be Their Role?Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-19534525331011908132015-04-15T03:17:39.876-05:002015-04-15T03:17:39.876-05:00It's really sad about Herb Trimpe; I only hear...It's really sad about Herb Trimpe; I only heard about it here, as most of the buzz on that same day (the 13th) was about the death of Gunther Grass, who was apparently a little better known than Mr. Trimpe.<br /><br />Also, I'll pipe in to defend Two Morrows as well. I haven't read a ton of their output, but I do have a few issues of Alter Ego and Back Issue (esp. the issues with contributions by Karen) and I have found them informative and enjoyable. Of course, I don't look at them as some type of rigorous scholarly journals, but rather very well-made fanzines. I really enjoy the creator interviews and the various articles focusing on specific characters or titles, and these do not require meticulous analysis of annual financial statements, budget reports and contracts or other legal documents. I agree with Karen: if there are any inaccuracies, I doubt it's agenda-driven or the result of intentional malice.<br />Otherwise, pfgavigan, let me second Osvaldo's recommendation for the Robert Stanley Martin posts at the Hooded Utilitarian - not just the linked article about Howard and Gerber, but also his series of posts looking at Jim Shooter's tenure as Marvel's EiC. They're very well researched and fascinating to read.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-33542052130345475182015-04-15T00:29:06.972-05:002015-04-15T00:29:06.972-05:00Since the topic of the day is mismatches, and JSA ...Since the topic of the day is mismatches, and JSA by Staton is fresh in my mind-- Bob Layton's inks are beautiful from issue 68-72 of All Star comics, then Joe Geilla takes over. It's disappointing, because while Geilla seems to "correct" some of Staton's unusual proportions, like in the faces, he also eliminates what makes Staton special. So the faces look correct but boring. Lacks the character and expressions that Staton draws. There's a plainness to the inking that may be ok for another penciller, but negates the bouncy freshness of Staton. When Staton takes over inking the JSA in Adventure comics, everything seems right again. Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-65912135886396733182015-04-14T22:43:45.937-05:002015-04-14T22:43:45.937-05:00I'm quite saddened by the loss of Herb Trimpe....I'm quite saddened by the loss of Herb Trimpe. His Hulk was the Hulk I grew up with, and I can picture his work so clearly in my mind. I will put up a post on Friday in memory of Mr. Trimpe.<br /><br />Regarding today's comments, I want to say in defense of Twomorrows Publications (who I occasionally write for, in Back Issue magazine), that every attempt is made to publish accurate material. But there are times when interviewing the creators of the comics that the individuals remember things differently. In many cases, you're asking people to come up with details of jobs they did 30, 40, even 50 years prior. There often is not a lot of original material available when doing your research to find out who is right. <br />The editorial policy is that writers need to substantiate claims made by subjects. This is made difficult when either a) people don't agree on what happened, b) other people refuse to be interviewed, or c) the other folks involved are now deceased. In any case, I can say from personal experience that I know the folks at Twomorrows do want to publish the most accurate material possible. Errors may happen but I hardly think they're due to a lack of ethics or policy.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-15684907001310306012015-04-14T16:03:03.340-05:002015-04-14T16:03:03.340-05:00I'm going to mention Bob Layton again as a gre...I'm going to mention Bob Layton again as a great inker. He was great at DC over Staton's pencils on Justice Society, and at Marvel over Romita Jr's pencils on Iron Man. He added a glossy shine to the heroes, and was not too choppy, or too scratchy, or too generic. You notice the difference when he leaves a title.Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-90558474320518145912015-04-14T13:39:04.900-05:002015-04-14T13:39:04.900-05:00Yeah, I tend to like inkers who stick closely to t...Yeah, I tend to like inkers who stick closely to the pencils, not ones who bury everything under their own "style".<br /><br />As for Herb Trimpe, I liked his Hulk stuff, and he was a really good "military" artist too; his G.I. Joe Special Missions stuff was great, especially anything with planes/jets in it...I can't remember if Herb was a pilot himself, but he sure loved to draw airplanes.<br /><br />Mike WilsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-29479331168940907252015-04-14T13:31:08.257-05:002015-04-14T13:31:08.257-05:00I see the price on ebay is $160 for Conan the Rogu...I see the price on ebay is $160 for Conan the Rogue--don't know if it's worth that much! I picked mine up 10 years ago for much cheaper, after waiting for a good deal. This book needs a cheap reprint!Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-5025899950236995202015-04-14T13:30:15.261-05:002015-04-14T13:30:15.261-05:00Hiya,
Just had a chance to peruse a couple of mor...Hiya,<br /><br />Just had a chance to peruse a couple of more comments.<br /><br />No, my strip wasn't a swipe at Alfredo directly. I always felt that he knew where to stop, as illustrated by his inks in color comics. It was more directed towards the breed of artists and writers who seem to be offended by any open space in a panel.<br /><br />I guess a point that is never really made about comic art is that some artists never seemed to grasp just how much of the detail that they sweated to put in their work was going to disappear when it was printed! Remember how bad some of the books during the Bronze Age look when the printing presses, I believe it was Sparta Illinois, switched from metal to plastic plates? How the thin line became a squiggly little thing!<br /><br />Lots of what artists, especially those who made their debuts during the Bronze Age, put into their work was totally loss in the process of turning into a finished comic. Part of the painful process that I've gone through as an amateur is self editing. While I don't have a real deadline I impose one upon myself and that makes me simplify and that makes me, I believe, a better story teller. The most recent piece of sequential artwork that I did was done in one day, pencil, light ink and computer grey-wash.<br /><br />And I cheated a lot, Wally Wood would approve.<br /><br />Thanks for the favorable comments on my work, they are always appreciated.<br /><br />pfgaviganpfgaviganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05446007678336988354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-29809802617417648862015-04-14T12:44:47.349-05:002015-04-14T12:44:47.349-05:00Pfgavigan, great strip again! I like the humour, a...<br />Pfgavigan, great strip again! I like the humour, and nice art. More please! : )<br /><br />Here's a good read: an article written by Herb Trimpe. It's his journal from 1996 when he was fired by Marvel, to 1999.<br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/010900edlife-56-edu.html" rel="nofollow">Herb Trimpe article</a><br /><br />As to inking, I just reread J. Buscema's graphic novel CONAN THE ROGUE from '91, and liked it better than ever! It was a labour of love for Buscema, who took the time to get each page the way he wanted it without deadline pressures. He pencils, inks, and colors it, and wrote the plot while Roy Thomas did the script. I really like his inking here, as it has a personal touch, and the colors are beautiful. If you look online you can the great preliminary sketches he did for this book as well. It had a low print run, so it's pricey, but worth it! <br /><br />Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-34667285079595653192015-04-14T12:36:45.684-05:002015-04-14T12:36:45.684-05:00pfgavigan,
Robert Stanley Martin seems to be that...pfgavigan,<br /><br />Robert Stanley Martin seems to be that kind of historian in posts like this one on Howard the Duck<br /><br />here are the primary sources:<br />http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2014/05/the-howard-the-duck-documents/<br /><br />Here is analysis: http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2014/05/all-quacked-up-steve-gerber-marvel-comics-and-howard-the-duck/<br /><br />And speaking of Howard the Duck. .. today was the inaugural installment on my new blog series reading through the original and newest runs of HtD.<br /><br />https://themiddlespaces.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/if-it-waughs-like-a-duck-1/Dr. Oyolahttp://themiddlespaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-5110341200114575722015-04-14T12:32:23.260-05:002015-04-14T12:32:23.260-05:00Hiya,
I had to take a moment over the news concer...Hiya,<br /><br />I had to take a moment over the news concerning Mr. Trimpe. <br /><br />Just a couple of comments.<br /><br />Yeah, writers do have that type of influence over the artwork, especially since we seem to be back in the days of complete scripts. That part I agree with because writers like that tend to have several scripts done at the same time and having an artist who feels the need to 'tweak' a page, or simply ignore what the writer describes in favor of their own interpretation can cause problems down the road. Especially when dealing with modern editors who seem unable to catch a mistake or unwilling to enforce story telling disciplines.<br /><br />Hey Humanbelly, I assume you're talking about Don Perkins and Colletta on "Werewolf by Night". In full agreement with you on that one and, apparently, so was Colletta. I read somewhere he wanted off the book as he didn't think he did the horror thing well.<br /><br />If you want to see how well he and Perlin could work together, Colletta inked Perlin's finishes over some very rough John Buscema pencils in Thor. There they were a very good match.<br /><br />I can't think of anyway to say this kindly so I might as well be direct; I tend to ignore anything the Two Morrows do. I've caught several mistakes of major proportions in their publications, popular stories repeated ad naseum in fan avenues.<br /><br />What comics need is a Historian. Not somebody like that one who did the recent Marvel work, the type who seems to rely on interviews and anecdotes. Comics need a historian willing to go through the papers and contracts and notes. Business reports yield a treasure trove of information, you can learn a lot by examining the legend on a cashed check.<br /><br />The Two Morrows, well, their testimony was thrown out of the Kirby case because it was all hearsay, second hand and unsustainable.<br /><br />Much like their publications.<br /><br />Sorry to end on such a nasty note.<br /><br />pfgaviganpfgaviganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05446007678336988354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-41436855320876763022015-04-14T12:22:48.135-05:002015-04-14T12:22:48.135-05:00Sorry to hear about Herb Trimpe; his Hulk run is t...Sorry to hear about Herb Trimpe; his Hulk run is the standard. <br />Pfgavigan- great job on the strip, and a uniquely effective way to 'illustrate' your point. Redartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221459636234713619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-8474394891226179102015-04-14T12:01:29.177-05:002015-04-14T12:01:29.177-05:00Oh, I am very, very sad to hear that. Thanks so m...Oh, I am very, very sad to hear that. Thanks so much for passing it on, though, Dr Oyola. There is no artist that has ever been so dear to me as Herb was. His run on the Hulk completely defines the parameters of what I think of as my carefree childhood. The association is very, very deep.<br /><br />HBHumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-40739086736622207362015-04-14T11:32:28.951-05:002015-04-14T11:32:28.951-05:00Sorry for the tangent, but wanted to drop a note i...Sorry for the tangent, but wanted to drop a note in case the news hadn't reached you yet, but Herb Trimpe passed away yesterday. :(<br /><br />http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04/14/herb-trimpe-passes-away-aged-75/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterDr. Oyolahttp://themiddlespaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-13820518670646479072015-04-14T11:20:11.303-05:002015-04-14T11:20:11.303-05:00I realize I rip Colletta a lot here, and on my rep...I realize I rip Colletta a lot here, and on my reprints blog. In fairness to him though, he, like Sal Buscema, probably got a lot of work because he was quick and cost-effective. Colletta probably saved a few not-great looking issues from the Dreaded Deadline Doom.J.A. Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800901321134394272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-34994893280001414192015-04-14T08:55:32.448-05:002015-04-14T08:55:32.448-05:00Sorry, HB, never read Secret Wars II (or I for tha...Sorry, HB, never read Secret Wars II (or I for that matter), so I can't comment. But on the topic of Milgrom and penciler/inker mismatches, there's the short run of Micronauts just after Golden left the series: Howard Chaykin with Milgrom inking. I think Chaykin was probably just doing roughs, because none of his craftsmanship or style could be seen under Milgrom's heavy inks. Another Milgrom mismatch was when he inked Simonson's pencils on the first two issues of Englehart's fabled run in Detective Comics. Same thing as above: if you didn't see Simonson's name in the credits, you wouldn't even know it was his art. (And lest this be taken as a open invitation to dog-pile on Milgrom, I have to say that his pencils looked really nice under Austin's inks (yep, Doug, he makes anyone look good), but also Klaus Jansen's.)<br /><br />Pfgavigan: love the strip! Although I'm wondering if you're also taking a dig at, say, Alcala's ornate and meticulously detailed inking in the Conan b&w stories (esp. in panel 2), which Buscema apparently hated, but which I loved nonetheless. Anyway, I would love to see more of the adventures, or perhaps better stated, discourses, of Rat-hog and Squirrel-bird.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-70216870267037260602015-04-14T08:05:36.784-05:002015-04-14T08:05:36.784-05:00PFG-- It had never, ever, ever, ever occurred to m...PFG-- It had never, ever, ever, ever occurred to me that the <i> writer </i> of all people could be the one imposing that kind of look (particular to B&W comics) upon the inker. Heck, you never even think of the writer and the inker as having much interaction at all, really-- is that a giant misconception?<br /> But yeesh, your point is surely well-taken. There's clearly a tendency in that medium toward using texture to (mistakenly) try to do the work of the absent color. And it becomes almost immediately exhausting to the eye. Pretty good example: REX HAVOC AND THE ASS-KICKERS OF THE FANTASTIC. Fairly enjoyable, satirical little romp of a series that was visually bogged down by the weight of its overly-ambitious inks (IMHO). It becomes hard to read because it's too tiring to look at.<br /> <br />And you've captured it brilliantly in your strip, here. (BTW, rest assured that you have vaulted directly to the upper reaches Blog Rockstar-hood 'round here, I daresay. Your illustrated contributions are an absolute delight-! You're able to do what so many of us would love to be able to--!) Rat-Guy, there? Man, where does his (leather?) outfit end and the background rocks begin? What exactly is his mellower buddy-- a bird-guy? His detail work indeed gets in the way of his clarity. The third panel-- you're right-- one starts to see the tiny, individual shading lines as opposed to the figure they're supposed to be delineating (if that's the right word). Have I correctly spotted some of your examples?<br /><br />And yet-- I am still utterly charmed by your strip here, and want to know more about these guys. . . <br /><br />Bad penciller/inker pairings?<br />Well, gosh-- not very far above is my Perlin/Colletta contribution, which will stand as my all-time low. <br /> I think this might almost be a tricky sub-topic, 'cause it's rare that a really poor penciler/inker combo would be sustained long enough to make a truly notable negative impact (WWBN w/ Perlin/Colletta somehow just went on and on and on-- impervious to the dismay of the dwindling fans. . . ). But let me toss in one more notable contender, which I may have mentioned elsewhere: Al Milgrom and Steve Leialoha's run on the entirety of Secret Wars II. It has been decades since I read that series-- in fact, not since it originally came out. But it made an indelible impression. The covers were generally passable-- seemingly where most of the artistic efforts were spent. The interior art was nine issues that ranged from below-average to jaw-droppingly, comic-throwingly awful. There were pages that appeared to have been drawn in great haste, and then apparently went to press w/out any inks whatsoever. Al was always a very limited penciller who needed a strong inker to make him palatable at least. Steve didn't step up to the plate at all.<br /><br />Yes? Anyone with me?<br /><br />HBHumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-17176129886037208342015-01-24T06:03:53.818-06:002015-01-24T06:03:53.818-06:00One last comment-- looking at the image of John Bu...One last comment-- looking at the image of John Buscema's layout page, there, one can of course understand how an inker's style would of COURSE become the visually dominant element. There's a heck of a lot of work left to be done there. In fact, IIRC, that's really the point where the job becomes "embellisher" rather than inker.<br /><br />HBHumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-5354245262933667162015-01-24T02:49:56.837-06:002015-01-24T02:49:56.837-06:00Martinex, I share your fondness for Marcos as an i...Martinex, I share your fondness for Marcos as an inker - over Perez and Byrne in particular (a pair of blog hosts whose names I won't mention - ;) - aren't too fond of his work, though). Marco also did some nice art on his own (pencils and inks), especially in Marvel's b&w magazines, like Tales of the Zombie.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-5021093531805750642015-01-23T22:03:13.763-06:002015-01-23T22:03:13.763-06:00I've never been a big fan of the Bronze Age ar...I've never been a big fan of the Bronze Age art of Colletta or Heck. But I thought they worked nicely together in the Marvel Premiere issue that featured the Liberty Legion.J.A. Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800901321134394272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-87827193535467067642015-01-23T19:38:16.785-06:002015-01-23T19:38:16.785-06:00Yeah, man-- niiiiiiice long reply! I can totally ...Yeah, man-- niiiiiiice long reply! I can totally get behind those, personally.<br /><br />With the focus on Vince Colletta, I can only offer that my primary exposure to him was over Don Perlin in the latter half of WEREWOLF BY NIGHT's run. . . and that may have been one of the most dreadful art pairings Marvel had ever come up with up to that point. Sort of the opposite of a gestalt-- the result was less than the sum of its parts. And it rather soured me on both artists forever. I think Vinnie inked a few early issues of THE CHAMPIONS (over George Tuska, maybe)? I recall not loving that look either. His style simply does not appeal to me, I'm afraid. Even in those older Thor epics it seemed. . . to scratchy, or messy, or something. Like, the inks had a "patina" to them, for lack of a better word. I do wish I could describe it better.<br /><br />HBHumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-31078209752098727252015-01-23T18:38:24.510-06:002015-01-23T18:38:24.510-06:00I kind of like Heck inking Heck. It's a littl...I kind of like Heck inking Heck. It's a little quirky and I guess sometimes some of the lines are a little thin but I really like his work on early Avengers around issue 34. His Living Laser always seemed bulky and complex and I liked that. It seems old fashioned now but still good.<br /><br />But I also like Pablo Marcos over Byrne and Perez on Avengers around issues 160 to 166. I like what he did with what I would call texture on the characters. I know it's not everybody's cup of tea but it seemed less cartoony to me. I see where it makes Byrne less Byrne-like when compared to his work with Austin, but I still like it.<br /><br />Martinex1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-91277209427117818602015-01-23T15:25:53.066-06:002015-01-23T15:25:53.066-06:00pfg --
You are by no means an interloper, sir -- ...pfg --<br /><br />You are by no means an interloper, sir -- and you have made some wonderful contributions here today. It's appreciated!<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-11724878935922192362015-01-23T14:30:51.396-06:002015-01-23T14:30:51.396-06:00To Doug
Hiya,
Once again I respect your right to...To Doug<br /><br />Hiya,<br /><br />Once again I respect your right to your opinion. That said I disagree with several of your points. I also wish to state that I do not regard myself as an expert on comic book art, but I hope that you will indulge my pretensions as I list what I see regarding that issue.<br /><br />1.) I see Mr. Hecks layouts and panel construction.<br /><br />2.) I see his panel contained layouts, how characters interact with each other and their environment.<br /><br />3.) I do see his rendition of individual characters, how he would draw them as opposed to other artists.<br /><br />Is it possible that I am imposing what I think I see on what is there? Entirely! However I have seen Mr. Heck as inked by a variety of inkers and I do believe certain traits hold true. But, once again, this is merely my opinion.<br /><br />As to the original subject, the importance of inkers in comic books, please allow me to relate a story that has been repeated often enough by at least one of the principals involved in said stories for me to believe it has some validity.<br /><br />To reduce it to it's essentials, the story goes as such: "Colletta was the inker of such and such book. We finally got him off it and replaced him with someone who was more faithful to the original pencils. Sales went down but we got rid of Colletta!"<br /><br />Now please remember that during the late Sixties and early Seventies the average comic book reader had only limited access to what could be deemed 'professional opinions.' Fanzines were limited in scope and were primarily known through word of mouth. We didn't know what we were supposed to like which is how Mr. Colletta was voted best inker at least once when Marvel polled its readers.<br /><br />Which I suppose is why when Mr. Colletta was removed from titles those titles were removed from our "buy" lists. Such titles include and were not limited to:<br /><br />Thor (several times)<br />The Invaders<br />Jimmy Olsen (with or without Kirby)<br />The New Gods<br /><br />It does require effort, but from the statement of ownership once contained regularly in comics, you can begin to piece together sales figures. Also, Mr. Lee was very, very observant regarding sales. Mr. Colletta return to the Thor book was, reportedly, due to definite drops in sales when the title was being either inked or embellished, I do believe there is a difference, by either George Klein or Bill Everett.<br /><br />This is an uncomfortable thing for me to suggest and I do hesitate to make this statement, but as comic books are a commercial artform dependent on their survival by selling themselves every month to their buyers it behooves them to insure that their creative staff selections appeal as much as possible to the buyer and not the critic.<br /><br />Let me stress that I do not believe that anybody at this site has ever displayed either what could be called contempt for certain artists or the idea that they themselves have a more elevated level of appreciation than the masses. Mr. Heck had his definite limitations as an artist and the wrong inkers exaggerated these. Mr. Colletta, despite what might seem to be my rabid defense of his skills, was never among my favorite inkers. I recall a great sense of disappointment when, after the departure of John Verpoorten, Colletta eventually emerged as his successor over Sal Buscema on the Captain America title. <br /><br />Please forgive me for the length of this reply. If I at any time seem to discount or disregard the beliefs and convictions of any at this site, it was not my intent. Indeed, I would like to thank all involved for the sense of community and cordiality that this page represents. I hope that you do not regard me in the nature of an interloper. <br /><br />Yours to all with best wishes<br /><br />pfgaviganpfgaviganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05446007678336988354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-4629231985591348222015-01-23T14:07:50.375-06:002015-01-23T14:07:50.375-06:00Well, I generally agree with pfg's points abou...Well, I generally agree with pfg's points about Heck - and I've defended his work here before.<br /><br />Also, I agree with Garett about Buscema inking his own work: I always thought it looked great. But then again, I just like Big John's work in general, regardless of who's doing the inking, or how much the inker may have "overpowered" the original pencils (like, say, Alcala). In fact, I'm trying to think of an inker who may have "ruined" Buscema's art; I just recently read a bunch of those Buscema-drawn Thor stories inked by Colletta, and they still look good.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-80386189439620296972015-01-23T13:36:51.177-06:002015-01-23T13:36:51.177-06:00pfg --
When I look at that issue of X-Men, I see ...pfg --<br /><br />When I look at that issue of X-Men, I see Palmer. I see no Don Heck at all.<br /><br />His Kooky Quartet issues as inked by Wally Wood are wonderful. But well into the 1970s, I don't know that any inker other than the most powerful could have gotten me to like his work; sometimes I'd be hard pressed to say it was serviceable.<br /><br />Saying all of that, I have nothing against the man, and have been on record numerous times as saying how much I like his Silver Age Avengers and Iron Man (the latter for the most part). But the great artists are great regardless of the inker -- no discussion of "hit or miss".<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.com