tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post5263901548314258725..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: BAB Classic: Born Only to Die?Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-88520148026307975922013-01-13T10:35:26.564-06:002013-01-13T10:35:26.564-06:00Nightcrawler's comment isn't correct anywa...Nightcrawler's comment isn't correct anyway. The longer he waits to teleport, the greater his velocity will be. If he immediately teleported, he might get<br />some bruises; by waiting he ensures death. Typical bad Claremont writing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-88584463608632102572013-01-08T02:34:47.053-06:002013-01-08T02:34:47.053-06:00Karen, Cyke was "second only to Cap?" Hm...Karen, Cyke was "second only to Cap?" Hmmm, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree...Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-44036921443865105002013-01-07T21:06:32.712-06:002013-01-07T21:06:32.712-06:00Magnus, Colossus knew he would survive the impact ...Magnus, Colossus knew he would survive the impact from that height due to past experience (or Soviets testing his abilities like you said). In fact, I have several issues where Claremont (it seemed to be a favourite line of attack) has him dropping out of the Blackbird, transforming in midair, and slamming into the ground like an armored bomb. He's almost always depicted as coming out of the impact crater he's formed, unharmed and ready to fight!<br /><br />As for Nightcrawler's "Law of conservation of energy" speech, that sounds like Claremont all the way. Dave Cockrum designed the costumes, but here it's clearly Claremont's voice. I agree that it sounds totally out of character for Nightcrawler.<br /><br />By the way, it's common knowledge that ol' pointy ears was Dave Cockrum's favourite X-man. Doug mentioned it already, but it is intriguing to speculate how much more popular Nighcrawler would have been if Cockrum had not left the series soon after.<br /><br />Yes, I did find it was shocking that they killed of Thunderbird so early, but hey, I guess Claremont & co figured, "aw well, too much to plot, let's kill him off!"<br /><br />Cyclops did grieve for Thunderbird - it was shown in the very next issue, #96; Claremont did a bang up job depicting Cyclops' reaction to John Proudstar's death - true to from, Cyclops walks alone in the forest, thinking all the while of his death, internalizing it, then lashing out with his optic beams in a fit of anger. Great stuff.<br /><br /><br /><br />- Mike 'Claremont's classic X-men is the best mutant team ever' from Trinidad & Tobago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-73218871826124323652013-01-07T18:52:26.953-06:002013-01-07T18:52:26.953-06:00Hmmm, at the beginning the New X-Men had 3 malcont...Hmmm, at the beginning the New X-Men had 3 malcontents -- Sunfire, Thunderbird & Wolverine -- but by the end of this story Wolverine had the bad boy status to himself and at this point I doubt Claremont had yet figured out (or accepted Byrne's idea) that Logan was well over 100 years old with lots of experience. Wolverine all by his lonesome was more of a heavy load for Cyclops to deal with than Pietro & Hawkeye were for Cap in the Kooky Quartet days.<br />Also it occurs to me that not only did this story take place just a couple of years after Gwen Stacy's death, but the Swordsman dramatically bit the dust only about a year before. You could still be sure the really big name superheroes and baddies wouldn't really die, but increasingly we couldn't be too sure about supporting characters who once seemed too integral to kill off. Of course, these days anyone can get killed off. Staying dead is another issue altogether.Fred W. Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07602124919964053532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-13157402119229764472013-01-07T16:54:18.759-06:002013-01-07T16:54:18.759-06:00Interesting thoughts William. You're dead righ...Interesting thoughts William. You're dead right, though, except for Storm it was a bunch of white dudes, although culturally, they are from all over the globe, so I guess it counts for something.<br /><br />Another thing that was intriguing about Thunderbird (to me anyway) is that he was a Viet Nam vet. That's something else they really could have played with. Who besides the Punisher was a vet back then? Of course, it would date him terribly, and I am sure the whole thing has been ret-conned out of existence (just like Ororo's connection to the Six Day War). But it certainly would have given him something to help him stand out from the others.<br /><br />As far as Cyclops goes, he was just a great leader back in the day. i think he was second only to Cap then. He was level-headed, a great tactician, but cared deeply about his people.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-81203766962989357572013-01-07T15:51:08.052-06:002013-01-07T15:51:08.052-06:00This story always bums me out because Thunderbird ...This story always bums me out because Thunderbird was actually my favorite member of the "All New, All Different X-Men". I thought it was mistake to permanently get rid of him so soon. Especially since the book was supposed to promote racial and cultural diversity.<br /><br />In fact, they pretty much dumped all the minority characters (except Storm) right away. After being included in GS X-Men #1, Sunfire (the Asian mutant) quits the team immediately, and then T-Bird (the Native American mutant) is killed off a couple of issues later as well. We are then left with a really culturally diverse team of white people and one African American Woman. Nightcrawler doesn't count because blue demon elf isn't a really an actual race, and also, if he suddenly lost his mutation I suspect he'd be white as well.<br /><br />And you can't tell me a talented writer like Chris Claremont couldn't have come up with some way to make one of the only Native American super heroes ever created interesting.<br /><br />I would have loved to see Thunderbird grow as a character with the rest of the team. To have developed friendships and rivalries with the other members. Imagine the interesting scenes they could have done between him and Alpha Flight's Shaman? What would his role have been in the Dark Phoenix Saga? Would we have had a story called "Thunderbird Alone"? That would have been cool. I think that if you take that much time to create a character, you should at least give him half a chance to develop a fan following before you just kill him off.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16988016825582035390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-48441728669138380412013-01-07T15:46:57.715-06:002013-01-07T15:46:57.715-06:00I always liked the very vague cover copy here:
&qu...I always liked the very vague cover copy here:<br />"You must read WARHUNT!"J.A. Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800901321134394272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-14399337786842253492013-01-07T14:31:06.430-06:002013-01-07T14:31:06.430-06:00Ric, Cyke giving orders while falling out of an ai...Ric, Cyke giving orders while falling out of an airplane (one that had just exploded, to boot) is just one of the many reasons he's my favorite X-man.<br /><br />Karen, re: Peter David. Yeah, saw the news on a number of other comic blogs and comics-related sites. It is indeed troubling and scary. Best wishes to him for a full recovery.Edo Bosnar (a.k.a. Herr Frosch)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-92101926571054225282013-01-07T14:18:28.502-06:002013-01-07T14:18:28.502-06:00Regarding X-Men 95... I read the issue when it cam...Regarding X-Men 95... I read the issue when it came out. I loved the original X-Men when I first encountered them, probably just a few years prior to this issue. My favorite wss Cyclops, so I was thrilled he stuck around when the others departed. Ironically, part of the reason he was my favorite X-Man was because he was noted for giving orders while falling out of an airplane (see X-Men #85, which reprinted #37). <br /><br />Anyway, to my point: I LOVED the first few pages of #95, with Cyke falling, and saved at the last moment! Part of the appeal of that was Cyke's thoughts as he fell, and part was the way Dave Cockrum drew the scene... with Cyclops' awesome pirate boots blowin' in the wind! <br /><br />RicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-39925945332677223632013-01-07T12:23:04.078-06:002013-01-07T12:23:04.078-06:00Geez, I guess we talked out everything we had to s...Geez, I guess we talked out everything we had to say about this two parter the other day?? <br /><br />Well then I'll just go ahead and hijack the thread, and bring this up: I was sorry to hear that writer Peter David had suffered a stroke over the holidays. Apparently he is recovering and even working a little on his books, which is good news. I'd like to wish him a speedy and full recovery!Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-17028820281913453122013-01-07T10:10:17.074-06:002013-01-07T10:10:17.074-06:00Don't have anything substantive to add to my c...Don't have anything substantive to add to my comments from almost 2 years ago (above) or last week, but I did notice something I didn't the first time around: Herr Frosch. Is that really an insult? I mean, the guy's called Frog-man anyway; to me, 'Mr. Frog' is actually an improvement...Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-21837355997914762912010-03-24T14:42:04.906-05:002010-03-24T14:42:04.906-05:00Welcome J.A., glad you are enjoying me and Doug...Welcome J.A., glad you are enjoying me and Doug's little retro-home. And thanks all for the comments! We like it to be more interactive.<br /><br />KarenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-34223080624822023712010-03-23T06:55:45.276-05:002010-03-23T06:55:45.276-05:00About Colossus knowing he can take the fall... wel...About Colossus knowing he can take the fall... well; first of all, he knows a multi-ton tractor can't hurt him at full speed; and second, he's had some Danger Room training, as minimal as it might have been. He has something to work with.<br /><br />As for Thunderbird, they almost killed Wolverine from what I hear. Imagine if Thunderbird had stayed around to battle ninjas and be an immortal Native American? :) Making him turn to the dark side and join Magneto would have been too obvious; I think Claremont made a great move by having gentle-soul-but-disappointed-in-the-dream Colossus join them in Fatal Attractions.<br /><br />His brother, Warpath, pretty much fills in the "angry at white men male Indian" spot John Proudstar left, when the New Mutants were introduced and James was brought in as part of the Hellions sometime later; there was space for a lot more mutant characters in the X-Men part of the Marvel Universe. He still fills his brother spot as the angry powerhouse. Colossus-with-Wolverine's-rage-and-senses. They even gave him a pair of Vibranium knives to make up for his lack of claws...MaGnUshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06351888054411049033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-76220032532353018362010-03-23T05:22:16.809-05:002010-03-23T05:22:16.809-05:00Like J.A. Morris, I first heard of Thunderbird in ...Like J.A. Morris, I first heard of Thunderbird in X-men 138, but when I managed to borrow X-men GS and the first few 'new' issues from an older fan a little later, I thought the original T-bird was an awesome character. As you guys pointed out in your post, there was potential for some really great storylines using him, and Wolverine definitely could have used some competition as the X-men's resident grumpy bad-ass.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-7824555706304330232010-03-22T14:54:19.950-05:002010-03-22T14:54:19.950-05:00Thanks for this review of 94 & 95.
I didn&#...Thanks for this review of 94 & 95. <br /><br />I didn't read these until 1980,I learned about Thunderbird's death in X-men #138(Cyclops' flashback issue). <br />I didn't find the character too interesting, but I felt bad when I learned that Nefaria survived. It's one thing to die and take out a villain, another thing to die for naught. <br />I'm sorry to admit that when I first read this I thought the Ani-men were cool! I quickly bought all their Daredevil appearances and was disappointed to learn that prior to their involvement with Nefaria, they were just thugs in animal suits with no superpowers. <br />I love the blog, will post more comments in the future!J.A. Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800901321134394272noreply@blogger.com