tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post5463187048388598715..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: BAB Classic: Three Cows Shot Me Down! Avengers #93Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-60611766392696221112014-01-21T11:09:36.981-06:002014-01-21T11:09:36.981-06:00James, AWESOME STORY about Mr. Adams.. Thanks for ...James, AWESOME STORY about Mr. Adams.. Thanks for sharing!<br /><br />Another thought on Hank here. I do wish they would have had Yellowjacket instead of Antman, but I suppose he preferred drawing a helmet to angling the head around the wings on those side shots. <br /><br />The light purple gloves and shorts on the red uniform look terrible.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-84722124064481501062014-01-20T20:57:00.306-06:002014-01-20T20:57:00.306-06:00This is primarily for Osvaldo, who keeps threateni...This is primarily for Osvaldo, who keeps threatening that he's going to get the topic-of-the-day one of these reader-led times...<br /><br />Tomorrow: Spotlight On...<br />Thursday: The Open Forum<br />Saturday: Discuss<br />Sunday: Who's the Best...?<br /><br />Line up those potential topics, kiddie-winkies!<br /><br />Doug<br /><br />PS: I saw two things on the web today that were "extra post worthy", but held myself back. Y'all can just remain ignorant in the name of vacation protocol! ;)Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-46834878619839990912014-01-20T17:10:20.631-06:002014-01-20T17:10:20.631-06:00Speaking of Neal Adams...
I just shook his hand! ...Speaking of Neal Adams...<br /><br />I just shook his hand! My son and I were browsing in a comic shop on Hollywood Blvd about an hour ago. In walks Neal Adams. He was even wearing the same blue shirt I've seen in photos. Maybe it's like his super-suit. <br /><br />Me: "Are you Neal Adams?"<br />NA: "Yes".<br />Me: "I'm a big fan of your work"<br />NA: "Why, thank you."<br />NA smiles and extends his hand.<br />NA: "Do you work here?"<br />Me: "No, I'm just browsing with my son."<br />I point to my four-year-old who is talking to a glass case full of toys, completely oblivious to anything else going on.<br />Me: "I'm working on the next generation here".<br />NA: "Oh, that's great."<br />Me: "He's really into Batman right now."<br />NA: "Excellent."<br /><br />Adams was definitely there on business, so I kept it short, and refrained from any inane fanboy questions. But he was very pleasant and gracious. I wish I'd had something witty prepared. But then, who expects to bump into Neal Adams?<br /><br />James Chatterton Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576083934906136102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-9777534978869559392014-01-20T17:02:22.603-06:002014-01-20T17:02:22.603-06:00As relayed by the Vision, in the first encounter w...As relayed by the Vision, in the first encounter with the Skrulls, it seemed as though they, the Skrulls, were mixing and matching the powers of the FF. How big is this farm? Wouldn't Clint have seen the Torch's flame? Heard the scuffle? Vision getting shot by an arrow from yon castle(You killed the VISION!!! Uh, I'm not dead yet, you mortally wounded the Vision, I think I'm getting better, look I can sink into the ground. We shall avenger you good Sir Vision I'm not dead yet!?!)? I mean, a ray striking him out of the sky? His cry of pain? <br /><br />When you see the panels of Mar-Vell next to Rick hitting Clint with the rock in B&W, I thought it was still Capt Marvel Rick hit with the rock. I get the impression that Thomas keeps splitting Clint from other three to make it plausible that they're beatable. <br /><br />Now we get the Omni wave part. The hint that it was the mutants the Skrulls were after? Were they the most "human"? What makes them good hostages? It would seem Rick Jones would be the choice. The Avengers defeat the cow/Skrulls but the Super Skrull gets away with CM, Quicksilver and Wanda. <br /><br />With the Vision hiding on board....this is getting good and we haven't even left Earth!!!!<br /><br />The Prowler (still rambling on since 2013, anybody want some grapes). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-17722142778570951972014-01-20T16:38:39.003-06:002014-01-20T16:38:39.003-06:00As I've mentioned previously, I discovered ove...As I've mentioned previously, I discovered over Christmas that I own the 2 issue Marvel Special Edition The Kree-Skrull War starring the Avengers. Having none of the originals, my earliest Avengers is 102, I was like "Wooo". Now as an adult, I began to collect the Marvel Essentials. With Vol 4 ending with 97, I now have the story. Note of warning, the Marvel Special Edition treats 89-92 as Prologue and summarizes them in 7 pages. But that's not why I called.....<br /><br />Looking back at the story through the filter of me, I see in Capt Marvel the military man sent to the frontier, meeting and living with a primitive culture and to some extent, going native. When he is forced to return to his people, his friends, the Noble Savages, unite to free him. Isn't this Dances With Wolves? Does somebody owe Thomas some money? <br /><br />Four aliens sent to earth and stuck in the wrong bodies (3 out of 4 and that ain't bad)? I would say Reed is Dick Solomon, Johnny would be Tommy Solomon leaving Ben as Harry? <br /><br />Now to my nitpicks (remember, I do love this story). When Iron Man gets the band back together, I can see where Capt has replaced the Hulk, that's a given, but when only Ant-Man shows up, nobody bats an eye. Jan's absence is thrown out as an aside by Hank. "Oh, she has a virus". Are we getting back into the Marvel's Boys Club? Can't write for a girl? Hey, Wanda's in the story. Riiiight. I would have thought it would go like this "What's that voice" "A spy" "Base villain" "Forsooth, tis Ant-Man" "Hey Hank, where's Jan Why the get up" But alack and alas, not the way it went down.<br /><br />Cue dramatic Vision Entrance!!!<br /><br />For those who've seen Monster House, when the panel with Vision's uvula is shown, was I the only thinking "So it's a girl house"? If you haven't seen the movie, find it, it's a good film.<br /><br />With the Vision reboot/reset, would he come out more robotic than before? More computer-ish? It would be logical....<br /><br /><br />The Prowler (splitting up the posts, its a 2014 thing)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-60845571476456835512014-01-20T13:34:55.081-06:002014-01-20T13:34:55.081-06:00Osvaldo, yep, this issue came out a good five (or ...Osvaldo, yep, this issue came out a good five (or so) years before Danvers became Ms. Marvel.<br />And thanks for the link to that Hank Pym guide - Hembeck is always good. Also, while I don't think Ant Man would make a very good herald for Galactus (unless he's normal size and riding a giant winged ant), the just-before-his-wedding mentally unstable Yellowjacket certainly would.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-66080358685790232052014-01-20T12:49:47.951-06:002014-01-20T12:49:47.951-06:00I thought Neal Adams peaked with his amazing under...I thought Neal Adams peaked with his amazing understanding of geology and plate tectonics!Doc Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08783244633195233970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-40548120237547957682014-01-20T10:51:48.528-06:002014-01-20T10:51:48.528-06:00Oh and speaking of Hank Pym's many changes - p...Oh and speaking of Hank Pym's many changes - perhaps some of you have not seen <a href="https://31.media.tumblr.com/d5fa915581f5cfdb338eb467dec1763d/tumblr_mzo3w3CkDL1qzoglfo1_1280.jpg" rel="nofollow">this handy-dandy guide by Fred Hembeck</a> from Marvel Age #31 (1985)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-8157827596017077142014-01-20T10:39:00.869-06:002014-01-20T10:39:00.869-06:00This sounds like a fantastic issue and more than a...This sounds like a fantastic issue and more than any of the ones you've covered so far it makes me want to pick up the Kree-Skrull TPB (though ideally, when it comes to old comics I prefer the original issues - though I am sure they'd be out of my price range).<br /><br />Super-Skrull is one of my favorite FF villains.<br /><br />So this issue takes place before Carol Danvers becomes Ms. Marvel? <br /><br />Speaking of Ms. Marvel, I have a post going up on my blog tomorrow about the first arc in the Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel series that started in 2012 and was just cancelled this past fall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-89247537954055046262014-01-20T10:08:31.475-06:002014-01-20T10:08:31.475-06:00Looking at my comment from a few years back (which...Looking at my comment from a few years back (which now seem overly critical), I just have to add that I can see why so many fans who bought this off of the spinner racks have such fond memories of the Kree-Skrull War. If I had read this new as it was coming out, it would have blow my little mind! The intriguing, multi-faceted story and Adams and Palmer's art just give this issue in particular a very dramatic, even cinematic feel.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-78138353201311264772014-01-20T10:03:07.710-06:002014-01-20T10:03:07.710-06:00Fred, I'd agree on 'the story' that ch...Fred, I'd agree on 'the story' that changed their status, among others you mentioned, I'd add CA&F's 'Secret Empire' saga.<br /><br />All great multi-issued sagas that puts our heroes into the next higher level of status.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-77173774679531135242014-01-20T09:42:51.497-06:002014-01-20T09:42:51.497-06:00From my perspective, this is the comic and storyli...From my perspective, this is the comic and storyline that gave The Avengers something to match the Galactus and Master Planner trilogies of the FF & Spider-Man, as well as the Hercules/Pluto and Dormammu/Eternity epics of Thor and Dr. Strange. Of course, there had been many outstanding previous Avengers tales, including the introductions of Ultron and the Vision and the Kang/Gamemaster story, but the Kree-Skrull War had a much grander scale. Not everyone's cup of tea, as indicated by some of the comments, but having only read about it as an adolescent and only having finally been able to read it as a young adult over a decade after it was initially published, I enjoyed it for both the art & story. Certainly it has many flaws -- so did those other classics I mentioned earlier. I also think this was where the Avengers really came out from under the long shadow of the Fantastic Four, this within a year of Kirby leaving that title but still about a year before Lee took his leave. Maybe this cover is rather symbolic in that way, especially as it (and the previous cover) prominently feature the Big Three who would now become regulars for the first time in over 5 years.Fred W. Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07602124919964053532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-76483164966091110552011-11-05T03:34:27.470-05:002011-11-05T03:34:27.470-05:00Possibly the single greatest comic book in my coll...Possibly the single greatest comic book in my collection. Pound for pound, this one has it all. Adams at his peak, and a potent story of real significance. I can't explain how exciting it was to get hold of this and imagine another one like it due the next month. Alas it was not to be. <br /><br />Rip OffRip Jaggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09936426877024852134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-28672653255445537252011-11-02T15:24:39.635-05:002011-11-02T15:24:39.635-05:00I don't see it as strictly an Adams fault in r...I don't see it as strictly an Adams fault in regards to the FF. <br /><br />Totally agreeing with Fred on the treasure of having Mr. Sinnott ink Ben Grimm, Palmer's inks could have been better as well.<br /><br />We all love artists that take chances with style and innovation; with that in mind, some styles rise to the occasion, other attempts not. I really liked the idea of the dual action screens.., it just didn't come off well. <br /><br />I don't think the art will detract from an otherwise outstanding entry into the Marvel Universe.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-44791456482093830522011-11-02T10:35:02.869-05:002011-11-02T10:35:02.869-05:00I wonder if we need to cut Adams some slack for so...I wonder if we need to cut Adams some slack for some of the weaker efforts here (ex. The FF) since this was a giant-size issue? He had enough problems just getting a regular sized title out on time! <br /><br />All of these issues are full of science fiction film homages or references. Roy would use variations of famous film titles for chapter titles. Besides Fantastic Voyage, there are echoes of This Island Earth, The Mole People, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and others I can't remember this morning! Actually it just occurred to me that the omni-wave is a lot like the interociter from This Island Earth.<br /><br />Personally I think this is the story that put the Avengers into the super-heavyweight category. The FF had been facing intergalactic menaces for years. Now the Avengers were entering that arena.<br /><br />KarenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-13384526465599580592011-11-01T22:46:18.491-05:002011-11-01T22:46:18.491-05:00I had read tidbits about this particular issue for...I had read tidbits about this particular issue for over a decade before I ever got my hands on it, spending $25 for what was once "only" 25 cents! And, yeah, I agree with Karen that Adams' art really provided a greater degree of grandeur to the ongoing story. That said, I also agree that his take on the Thing looked somewhat off. Perhaps part of the problem with Adams' renditions of Ben Grimm and Thor and similar big-muscled characters is that his highly realistic style doesn't quite work for these larger-than-life fantasy figures who are very particularly associated with Kirby's mid-60s style (remembering that Thor, as rendered by Kirby in Journey Into Mystery back in 1962 looked positively anemic, at least compared to how Kirby portrayed him from 1965 and on). And going backwards on the FF, it wasn't until Sinnott came onboard that the Thing really started to "look right".<br />All in all, though, this issue was an epic within an epic. Lots of great stuff.Fred W. Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07602124919964053532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-3285535393077268162011-11-01T21:32:11.680-05:002011-11-01T21:32:11.680-05:00Just checking in with some "news you can use&...Just checking in with some "news you can use" -- last week I told our readers that I'd try my best to find out if the new "Marvel Firsts" series of tpb's was in color or B&W. Some of us were concerned that at page counts getting close to 500 pages, that it would have to be in the Essentials format. Well, I'm happy to report that even though the comic shop I asked never replied, I was able to confirm (on three different sites) that the 1960's edition is indeed in color.<br /><br />You can go back to our original post, and see the cover of the upcoming 1970's (vol. I) by pasting in the following link:<br /><br />http://bronzeagebabies.blogspot.com/2011/10/discuss-evolution-of-personality.html<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-45943406081172624842011-11-01T18:27:49.612-05:002011-11-01T18:27:49.612-05:00Yes, the 'Silver Age of Comic Art' it is a...Yes, the 'Silver Age of Comic Art' it is and it's a superb book comparing styles, and it's rightfully HUGE, so I can matte/frame some of the full page art.<br /><br />Ah, ish 93. We have arrived. I've mentioned my love/hate relationship with this issue and Adam's art over the last few posts with the previous issues. It's simply uneven - You have the utterly-fantastic opening sequences (the shading on Ironman and Hank are fantastic), not so good on Cap and Thor. A magnificent, awe-inspiring trip down inside 'Vision Lane'.., all done with great, near cinematic style. Juxtapose that with the tedious dual-action frames of Mar-Vell and a shoddy-drawn FF later on. <br /><br />Visually majestic and surprisingly disappointing, all in one ish.<br /><br />However, the story references were indeed awesome, tying back to original Skrull appearance. <br /><br />One pick..: The culmination of this story was a justifiably huge undertaking.., but despite the beautiful journey through the Vision (taking up a major part of this issue), what did it really add to the overall story arc..?david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-73069142065581285632011-11-01T16:24:32.470-05:002011-11-01T16:24:32.470-05:00Hi Doug – yup that’s the one (hope I’ve remembered...Hi Doug – yup that’s the one (hope I’ve remembered rightly! If it turns out to be Frank Robbins, I’ll have to commit ritual suicide). <br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-10002878008516060792011-11-01T14:39:41.827-05:002011-11-01T14:39:41.827-05:00Richard --
I assume you are speaking of the book ...Richard --<br /><br />I assume you are speaking of the book "The Silver Age of Comic Art"? If so, I have that and will gladly check this all out after I get home today. Thanks!<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-67190931629125340912011-11-01T14:29:49.366-05:002011-11-01T14:29:49.366-05:00I was thinking before that it must have been inter...I was thinking before that it must have been interesting to have been around at the time when Adams and Kane both started working at Marvel. I bet Romita dropped his chips a few times when he saw those proofs coming in! <br /><br />Doug – I’m wondering if Kane addresses your issue? He has the same perspective / unusual camera angle thing that Adams has and long shots up the body as well, but he also gives the big boys plenty in the pec & shoulders department. I particularly like his Hulk...when he said he was going to smash, I believed him. <br /><br />According to what Kane says in Arlen Schumer’s book, he worked very hard at that because his style at DC was far more in their house style, long & lithe. When he went to Marvel, he emulated Kirby more than you’d think. <br /><br />There’s a great page in Schumer’s book where you see a panel of Green Lantern (Kane), a panel of Cap (Kirby) and a panel of Cap (Kane-post-Kirby) and you really see what he means. <br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-34092855113019929872011-11-01T14:10:58.824-05:002011-11-01T14:10:58.824-05:00I was going to guess Superman #235; I was off by t...I was going to guess Superman #235; I was off by two issues. Here is a link to the cover of Superman #233:<br /><br />http://www.comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=55433<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-62453542332175739612011-11-01T14:04:23.488-05:002011-11-01T14:04:23.488-05:00I think comparing the Batman post of last week (st...I think comparing the Batman post of last week (still up on our main page) to this issue of the Avengers shows what some are discussing. Maybe it's me, but I'll posit that Adams is best on faces in general and on bodies that tend to be long and lithe. He's OK on Cap and Iron Man, but at times I feel his Thor is unimpressive. Other artists, like Byrne or Buscema, imbue the Thunder God with a massiveness across his chest and shoulders that is very striking -- it just exudes power. While Adams can exude agility and bodies-in-motion, he doesn't convey incredible strength well. Even his iconic cover to Superman (don't know the issue right off the top of my head -- the one where he breaks the chains (is it part of the "Kryptonite No More" story?)) shows a for-the-most-part Superman that isn't much larger than Adams' Batman.<br /><br />Thoughts?<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-29515151621637940502011-11-01T13:50:34.508-05:002011-11-01T13:50:34.508-05:00What a contrast this story is to the John Byrne Vi...What a contrast this story is to the John Byrne Vision stories in the 80s, whene he apparently transformed into a series of electronic circuits inside.<br /><br />Regarding Neal Adams, I never said I hated him -- his take on the Vision's innards is striking -- I just find him better suited to Horror/Noir stuff. There's something oddly too precise about his renderings of straight-up superheros and I am not fond of the way he lays out the action, which can be confusing, as the post indicates.Inkstained Wretchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-72363419902782844202011-11-01T13:27:54.895-05:002011-11-01T13:27:54.895-05:00pretty great stuff... several bloggers have been t...pretty great stuff... several bloggers have been touching on this issue recently, and i just read the Kree-Skrull War TPB this summer, funny.Super-Duper ToyBoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858607320711118146noreply@blogger.com