tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post6038345870755464434..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: Guest Review - "I'm With Stupid"... Teaming Up to Review Spider-Man/Human Torch, Part OneDoughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-77269971666335293802015-06-27T12:43:57.743-05:002015-06-27T12:43:57.743-05:00Thanks Marti!
It took us about two weeks maybe? M...Thanks Marti!<br /><br />It took us about two weeks maybe? Mike can chime in and correct me.<br /><br />Part of the issue was that I had unexpected oral surgery and my mom was in the hospital for part of it (she's home now and recovering), which severely limited the time I could dedicate to this and other work.Dr. Oyolahttp://themiddlespaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-79312773125931719322015-06-27T11:58:40.650-05:002015-06-27T11:58:40.650-05:00Thanks Mike and Osvaldo ... Very nicely done. So...Thanks Mike and Osvaldo ... Very nicely done. Sorry i am late to the party; work calls and problems to solve. I saw this book on the stands and was tempted but never bit. Now I am going to have to find these. I liked the era of the Coffee Bean hangout and the interaction of Torch and Spidey back in the day. Since then I have enjoyed the Slott writing that I have been exposed to. <br /><br />The changes in time, sliding time, and those impossibilities never bothered me much. I guess I was aware of them but breezed by the thought. <br /><br />I look forward to your second part. How long did it take you to collaborate and compose? Martinex1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-85944422280260378432015-06-25T19:26:30.247-05:002015-06-25T19:26:30.247-05:00Thanks for all the comments, everybody. To expand ...Thanks for all the comments, everybody. To expand on Osvaldo's thoughts about the "sliding timeline", I think he's right; Marvel basically wants us to believe that everything, all the way back to FF #1, took place within the last ten (or so) years. That obviously doesn't work if you really study the comics and note the passage of time, but I guess it's Marvel's way of keeping their characters perpetually young. DC basically did the same thing with their Zero Hour timelines, saying everything took place within the last 10 or 12 years, even though the stories don't support that interpretation.<br /><br />I'm not sure if Spider-Man/Human Torch is apocryphal or not, but I hope it "counts"...especially issue #3; it's just too cool not to be true!<br /><br />Mike WilsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-73158881691338689642015-06-25T19:11:20.434-05:002015-06-25T19:11:20.434-05:00Nice write-up, guys! I have the hardcover and enjo...Nice write-up, guys! I have the hardcover and enjoyed it. I like how Slott balanced the humor with an emotionally satisfying payoff.<br /><br />Anyone else a fan of Untold Tales of Spider-Man? There's a Torch team-up issue that would fit right in with the Slott/ Templeton/ Nelson material. <br /><br />As for rest cons/ untold tales... If they're good, I'm for them. The sliding timeline doesn't bother me. I dislike most rest cons done for shock value (e.g. Hydra's been running SHIELD all along! Wha...?) but I'll usually give "stories that took place between other stories" a chance.<br /><br />- Mike LoughlinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-74815680881570109552015-06-25T17:45:16.478-05:002015-06-25T17:45:16.478-05:00Thanks, Osvaldo... seems like I'm a bit behind...Thanks, Osvaldo... seems like I'm a bit behind the times and its all quite standard stuff now.<br />Personally, I don't see the point in trying to explain away the passing of time, and find that approach to continuity a bit annoying. I mean, when did WW2 happen in the Marvel universe - a couple of decades before the millennium?<br /><br />I'd much rather see a story set around the early 60s actually reflect the setting and have it be a period piece. And as to how the characters can still be around so much later... well, as you put it, who knows? Who cares?<br /><br />-seanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-16486223428774363632015-06-25T16:18:03.661-05:002015-06-25T16:18:03.661-05:00The comic doesn't really mention the rolling t...The comic doesn't really mention the rolling timeline as such, except for the narration which says things like "10 years ago," or "A few years ago" referring to things we know happened in the 60s or 70s.<br /><br />I think in comics today any reference to past "big" events are always said to have been "a few years ago." I think the general PoV is it has been as few as 10 years and as many as 15 years ago since the FF began the Marvel Age - but I could be wrong.Dr. Oyolahttp://themiddlespaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-6074916533884164762015-06-25T15:35:17.716-05:002015-06-25T15:35:17.716-05:00Haven't read this, but just wanted to ask... I...Haven't read this, but just wanted to ask... I'm curious about the reference to the Marvel rolling timeline. Is this the only mention of it in the text of an actual story? Like, the 60s being ten years earlier - are there other Marvels that refer to specific events in the continuity in that way?<br />Just curious.<br /><br />Generally, I have a soft spot for "lost" stories, although a lot depends on how the creative team juggle pastiche and dramatic irony.... Not sure how well the Templeton art really captures the Kirby/Ditko era beyond a general cartooniness - at least from the samples shown here - but... I am curious to read it after this piece.<br /><br />-seanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-35515950445451229502015-06-25T13:47:13.103-05:002015-06-25T13:47:13.103-05:00Ha! Mike it must be a good sign of our partnership...Ha! Mike it must be a good sign of our partnership that I feel like <i>you</i> did the heavy lifting! :)Dr. Oyolahttp://themiddlespaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-71397846781813708842015-06-25T13:45:50.312-05:002015-06-25T13:45:50.312-05:00As I thought I mentioned in this part, but it must...As I thought I mentioned in this part, but it must be in part two or three, I see these stories as apocryphal. . Are they part of canon? Who knows? Who cares? They are good stories that capture the feeling of the various eras in which they set. Maybe they "didn't happen," maybe they "happened differently". . . They're like war stories, but less serious. . . Hmm, not I want to write a post for my blog putting Tim o'Brian's "How to Tell a True War Story" from <i>The Things They Carried</i> in conversation with comic "canon."Dr. Oyolahttp://themiddlespaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-33305185876814676412015-06-25T13:39:34.380-05:002015-06-25T13:39:34.380-05:00Yeah, I'd agree with Osvaldo...this is more of...Yeah, I'd agree with Osvaldo...this is more of an Untold Tales kinda thing than a retcon, and Slott does a good job fitting everything in between what we've already seen.<br /><br />I also enjoyed our "Marvel(ous) Team-Up", Osvaldo...especially since you did most of the heavy lifting...I just had to throw in a few pithy comments!<br /><br />Mike WilsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-9054241405294120662015-06-25T13:32:35.183-05:002015-06-25T13:32:35.183-05:00It's a lot of fun to see a different pair of p...It's a lot of fun to see a different pair of partners doing a comic review on the BAB! I've been looking forward to these reviews, and Osvaldo and Mike did not disappoint. This series looks like something i might want to pick up. I always liked the relationship between Spidey and Johnny, although it was never explored that much, especially in the Bronze Age. If Marvel Team-Up had continued as planned and featured the two of them together who knows what we might have seen, perhaps even Peter revealing his secret ID? But ultimately I think the rotating team ups were a better direction.<br /><br />great review guys. Looking forward to the rest!Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-58325921584712454922015-06-25T12:41:33.706-05:002015-06-25T12:41:33.706-05:00Really nice review, Osvaldo & Mike. I thorough...Really nice review, Osvaldo & Mike. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, and now you've got me interested in the series (oh, yeah, like I need to spend more money and add to my now officially crippling "to read" pile).<br />Generally, I have to say I like stories like this - with the caveat mentioned by Doug, i.e., provided that they're done right. It seems, based on your review and the panels you provided, this one looks like it has that elusive quality. And I also like Spidey's first confrontation with poor ol' Paste-Pot Pete.<br />I agree with Osvaldo, by the way: these don't seem so much like retcons as simple supplementary stories. I would add that I don't mind retcons, either, if they're what I call 'soft' - meaning that they don't fundamentally or drastically change a given character's backstory but just add some little new facet or wrinkle to it. (Heck, I don't even mind some of the bigger retcons if they're done well, like the ones Miller did in Daredevil...)Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-13767200202942934712015-06-25T10:34:44.898-05:002015-06-25T10:34:44.898-05:00Redartz, you HAVE to find issue #3, as you will se...Redartz, you HAVE to find issue #3, as you will see in the next installment of this overview, Mike and I agree that it is the best issue!<br /><br />Doing this series was a lot of fun and lot of work, but having someone to work with meant we could include a lot of detail and have different perspectives on the same issue. I'd definitely team-up with someone again.<br /><br />William, I don't see these stories as ret-cons, but more like "Lost Tales" or "Untold Tales"<br /><br />Dr. Oyolahttp://themiddlespaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-70610938709475381682015-06-25T09:14:03.047-05:002015-06-25T09:14:03.047-05:00I had this mini-series, but I sold it along with t...I had this mini-series, but I sold it along with the rest of my Spider-Man collection.<br /><br />However, about a year ago I picked up the hardcover pretty cheap on Amazon or eBay (I forget which one). I've been meaning to read it again, but I haven't gotten around to it. I may to go ahead and do so, so that I can better comment on your reviews.<br /><br />As I recall it was a pretty good read (pretty good, not great). However, I will reserve my final judgement until I read it again.<br /><br />I think my problem with things like this is that I absolutely LOATHE ret-cons in any way, shape, or form. However noble the intention of the writer, and even at their best, the ret-con still sends the message that "What you thought you always knew is wrong." (Even if it's just a little bit). And I don't like any writer going back and mucking with the stories that other writers have written, and trying to change what they did. (Especially the really classic stuff).<br /><br />That being said, I recall that this series wasn't too bad in that respect. However, I seem to remember a couple of instances where I was like "meh" in regards to some of what was done.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16988016825582035390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-52822544145056498752015-06-25T08:01:54.909-05:002015-06-25T08:01:54.909-05:00I don't mind these sorts of things when they g...I don't mind these sorts of things when they get it "right". Of course, that is a statement that is purely subjective. For examples, I didn't care for the second 8-issue Avengers mini-series that looked at the period around the introduction of the Vision and Hank's mental breakdown. I also read a Teen Titans Year One sort of series that didn't resonate with me, either. As in today's subject matter, if the creators respect the source material then I can get on board.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-7612902330546099642015-06-25T07:45:52.573-05:002015-06-25T07:45:52.573-05:00Looks like a great series.., a nice improvement ov...Looks like a great series.., a nice improvement over the original Silver stories which is the ultimate praise for these revisits.<br /><br />Excellent review.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-89856736287684641302015-06-25T07:37:36.537-05:002015-06-25T07:37:36.537-05:00Mike and Osvaldo- excellent job on this review! I ...Mike and Osvaldo- excellent job on this review! I had heard good things about this series and finally found issues 1,2,4 and 5 last month at a local flea market (still hunting for issue 3, I still enjoy the old back issue hunt). So glad you two chose this series to discuss. <br /><br />You are quite right about the light tone in the series. Dan Slott captures the earlier eras of Spider-man nicely. Actually, Dan's writing was the primary reason I kept buying Amazing Spiderman up to issue 700, despite some unfortunate turns in plot and character. You note the sequence with Captain Stacy; he was a great member of the Silver Age Spidey cast, and his knowledge of Peter's identity made for some dramatic scenes. Slott lets us know that Stacy knows, without actually coming out and saying so. <br /><br />As for the art, I first enjoyed Mr.Templeton's work on the beautiful 80's indie series Mr. X. He does a nice job here keeping the visuals styled for the eras presented. Nice, clean work, and the story flows easily. <br /><br />Again, great team-up review; looking forward to part two!Redartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221459636234713619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-25499205649482840662015-06-25T06:58:20.656-05:002015-06-25T06:58:20.656-05:00Hmm, I was buying a lot of new comics in 2005 yet ...Hmm, I was buying a lot of new comics in 2005 yet somehow missed this.<br /><br />Odd given how much I like both Slott and the Spider-Man/Torch team up.<br /><br />Thanks for the great review, I will definitely pick this series up.ColinBrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04995208182158761600noreply@blogger.com