tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post7325197845622142423..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: What Titles Should Kirby Have Worked On?Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-85128516643711203452012-11-15T23:55:46.020-06:002012-11-15T23:55:46.020-06:00I perhaps wouldn't have minded seeing Jack dra...I perhaps wouldn't have minded seeing Jack draw Thor again, but only if Vinnie inked it. Jack drew a cover to Marvel Premiere (#26) featuring Hercules which Vince inked, and it was almost as good as his classic '60s Thor work. You can see the cover here: http://kidr77.blogspot.com/2012/08/jacks-back.html Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-62675097316852385412012-11-15T13:45:45.486-06:002012-11-15T13:45:45.486-06:00Karen, I am about 95% of the way through Marvel Co...Karen, I am about 95% of the way through Marvel Comics: The Untold Story, and I too already knew quite a bit of the stuff that is covered in the book, but it gets more interesting (and more depressing) in the later chapters as Marvel literally crashes into to 90's. There is a lot of information in those chapters that I didn't know quite as much about in detail. Looking forward to seeing what the author's take is on the state of Marvel today.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16988016825582035390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-68373875134764323442012-11-15T11:48:25.461-06:002012-11-15T11:48:25.461-06:00Have to say, I think Karen's idea of having Ki...Have to say, I think Karen's idea of having Kirby on the Invaders is sheer genius, as long as Roy still wrote and edited it. Sure, it never would've happened, considering Kirby's disposition at the time, but it's a wonderful dream. The book actually worked under Robbins and Colleta, which is nothing short of a miracle. I could only see it improving under Kirby.<br /><br />In a related idea, how about giving Kirby a chance with The Liberty Legion. He wouldn't be constrained by continuity much, if at all. The LL was made up of such a goofy assortment of characters, that I think a series on them would've lended itself well to any number of Kirby's wacky plot-threads. A time-travel meeting between the LL and Henry Kissinger? Or Dvil Dinosaur teaming up with the Ll to stomp some Nazi a**? Why not?<br /><br />I remember Super Villain Team Up as being about as lame as Secret Society of Super Villains. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember anything salvageable. for those two losers. I don't Kirby would've helped much.<br /><br />Anyone remember that What If with the 1950's Avengers? I believe Kirby drew the cover for that. That's another idea for a series I can imagine working under the King.<br /><br />James ChattertonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-10592839397722536502012-11-15T08:34:24.063-06:002012-11-15T08:34:24.063-06:00If Roy and Jack ever did work together, it must no...If Roy and Jack ever did work together, it must not have gone well. Hence, the creation of Funky Flashman and Houseroy...<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-840956905383263702012-11-15T08:25:00.548-06:002012-11-15T08:25:00.548-06:00Heartily second both Karen's suggestion of a K...Heartily second both Karen's suggestion of a Kirby INVADERS and the praise for THE UNTOLD STORY. Didn't get a chance to jump in on the recent discussion, but despite my disappointment with Jack's Bronze-Age run, I think he is probably the definitive Cap artist. As for Howe's book, I've heard the same complaint leveled against it about many of the anecdotes being familiar ones, but since I haven't read much in the way of fanzines or earlier books, most of it is new to me, and I'm loving it.<br /><br />On a slight tangent, the INVADERS thing makes me wonder if Roy and Jack ever collaborated. Maybe a S.H.I.E.L.D. installment or two in STRANGE TALES, where Roy scripted and Jack did the layouts, but I can't think of anything else. Am I overlooking something obvious?Matthew Bradleyhttp://marveluniversity.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-2615311371860873802012-11-15T02:16:23.676-06:002012-11-15T02:16:23.676-06:00By the way, and sorry to go off topic, but is anyo...By the way, and sorry to go off topic, but is anyone else occasionally having problems with those captcha images before posting? I only managed to get that last post up after four tries: the captcha images I get feature a photograph of a number plus a distorted word, and in this case, and quite frequently in the past few weeks, the photograph of the number is so blurry (or sometimes it's really tiny) that there's no way to make them out - and yes, I've tried copy-pasting the image to another program to enlarge it, doesn't help.<br />Think there's any chance of alerting blogger about this problem and actually getting a substantive response?Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-77473598764148093232012-11-15T02:07:34.467-06:002012-11-15T02:07:34.467-06:00M W, duly noted; and sorry if I came across a litt...M W, duly noted; and sorry if I came across a little abrasive. I sometimes find it hard to word comments in discussions like this so they don't sound like I'm gnashing my teeth and pounding away furiously at my keyboard.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-59620131852922545532012-11-14T23:08:23.271-06:002012-11-14T23:08:23.271-06:00Lots of interesting comments folks. When we decide...Lots of interesting comments folks. When we decided to take this look at Kirby's return to Marvel we thought it might generate some real conversation and that appears to be the case. I think it's always hard to see a legend on the decline, which clearly Kirby was at this stage. I did ask whether you wanted to see Kirby draw or write, because I've seen people ardently defend Kirby's writing, even though I'd say most fans find it weak, at best. <br /><br />It's too bad Kirby was so insistent on writing though; I think there might have been a place for his art, despite its somewhat outdated look. I think Sub-Mariner might have been an interesting idea. He didn't have a book at that point ( I think it had been cancelled prior to his return) but it could easily have been revived.<br /><br />I am in the midst of "Marvel Comics: the Untold Story" and it's been a good read, although many of the incidents related I have read elsewhere- basically in the authors source material. I do think it will be worth a post (or two) once my comrade in arms has a chance to read it.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-9005247774701353162012-11-14T20:30:34.894-06:002012-11-14T20:30:34.894-06:00Vinyl Records --
Welcome! Thanks for the comment...Vinyl Records --<br /><br />Welcome! Thanks for the comment.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-84833676789648155002012-11-14T20:25:46.630-06:002012-11-14T20:25:46.630-06:00Hi, I'm new here. I think Jack would have bee...Hi, I'm new here. I think Jack would have been terrific on Micronauts.vinyl recordsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-17801335431697839922012-11-14T19:10:07.665-06:002012-11-14T19:10:07.665-06:00And in what capacity -artist or writer? (Good lord...<i>And in what capacity -artist or writer?</i> (Good lord, K--please tell us you offer that choice in jest!)<br /><br /><br />But as to the main question, I suppose I'm <a href="http://peerlesspower.blogspot.com/2012/08/what-might-have-been.html" rel="nofollow">already on record</a> as being very curious about how Kirby would have been as artist on the first <i>Silver Surfer</i> series.Comicsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064955427593820783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-54368362316215070232012-11-14T17:22:37.270-06:002012-11-14T17:22:37.270-06:00Edo Bosnar, you'll note that I meant to sugges...Edo Bosnar, you'll note that I meant to suggest, in my proposal that Kirby do War of the Worlds, that he had continued the series, but *not* the character of Killraven. Since MacGregor's & Russell's series was cancelled, I was imagining Kirby following some completely different characters. Under a title like "War of the Worlds", there was room to branch out.<br />Like some others, I considered Super-Villain Team-Up, but from what I understand of Kirby, that wouldn't be a concept he'd gravitate to. Doing a series where the leads always had to ultimately lose? Not the Kirby style...M W Gallaherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17727667427780107723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-80117908053462418412012-11-14T17:18:40.602-06:002012-11-14T17:18:40.602-06:00I wanna see Kirby write and draw Archie! Imagine t...I wanna see Kirby write and draw Archie! Imagine that.... : DGarettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-53529544797279571372012-11-14T16:15:58.863-06:002012-11-14T16:15:58.863-06:00HB, I think Kirby's late phase does get discus...HB, I think Kirby's late phase does get discussed in some corners of the blogosphere. Personally, I'm quite fond of his work from this period, as I mentioned in previous comments. I really like Captain Victory and Destroyer Duck (written by Steve Gerber), which started off really strong, in terms of both story and art (it's also a bit caustic, but I suppose that's understandable, given the reason why the series was launched). I think it's pretty easy to track down the back issues cheaply.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-42805992664038182112012-11-14T16:08:10.264-06:002012-11-14T16:08:10.264-06:00As a writer...sad to say, NOTHING. As artist: Thor...As a writer...sad to say, NOTHING. As artist: Thor!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-87465910634395341282012-11-14T15:38:50.986-06:002012-11-14T15:38:50.986-06:00Yes, I think we all agree that Kirby should should...Yes, I think we all agree that Kirby should should not have been allowed to completely write his own stuff. Plotting or co-plotting, sure, but he definitely needed some help refining his ideas and dialogue.<br /><br />With that said, I really like the suggestion of Kirby on Iron Man. He already tended to make everything look metallic anyway (even cloth costumes), so Iron Man would have been the perfect character for his blocky, futuristic style.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16988016825582035390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-12879636239227005162012-11-14T14:40:46.419-06:002012-11-14T14:40:46.419-06:00It's too bad the concept of "Untold Tales...It's too bad the concept of "Untold Tales of <i>X</i>" hadn't been thought of in 1976. I think of the great job Bruce Timm did on Avengers 1.5, and Kirby would have been perfect for a series set back in his own heyday. An Ant-Man revival, stories that filled in gaps in the Avengers, etc. would have been a lot of fun.<br /><br />But again, with a writer at the helm.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-30135854320111046712012-11-14T14:30:38.906-06:002012-11-14T14:30:38.906-06:00Yes, great question, Karen. I kind of disagree wit...Yes, great question, Karen. I kind of disagree with him drawing the Invaders though -- I think that by that time his art had evolved in a way that wouldn't have really worked with that title. It was too futuristic and cosmic to convey the necessary retro vibe (unlike, say, Jerry Ordway or Rich Buckler).<br /><br />What should he have done? I think the suggestions by Richard for Iron Man and by Dougie for Super-Villian Team-Up are both solid. Both feature characters he was involved in creating but did not do on a regular basis so he would be familiar with them but would not have exhausted all of his ideas regarding them. <br /><br />I'd like to have seen what he could have done with the Hulk too, another character he started then handed off to others. I really like the Defenders covers featuring the Hulk that Kirby did around that time.<br /><br />Other titles I would have liked to seen him on: Nova, Micronauts and Marvel Two-In-One. I think his art would have suited them all well. Inkstained Wretchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-41491568890541266222012-11-14T14:26:05.749-06:002012-11-14T14:26:05.749-06:00I seem to recall from my Black Magic Kirby book th...I seem to recall from my Black Magic Kirby book that Mr. K didn't care for barbarian characters like Conan.<br /><br />But how about EVIL EYE, a series starring Prester John the Wanderer?<br />I've wondered if his magical land of Avalon was meant to be Attilan. <br /><br />I'm picturing battles with Yeti. pygmy tribesmen, pirates and Fin Fang Foom!Dougiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03965448821892833703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-69371574408865140022012-11-14T14:18:28.759-06:002012-11-14T14:18:28.759-06:00Becoming one with the universe by getting it on wi...Becoming one with the universe by getting it on with a plant in the Far East?<br /><br />Drug use? Y'think?!<br /><br />Dougiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03965448821892833703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-60247695736712764452012-11-14T13:29:11.567-06:002012-11-14T13:29:11.567-06:00Hey david_b, I agree that reading about all the dr...Hey david_b, I agree that reading about all the drug use by a lot of the writers and artists was somewhat shocking and a bit of a bummer as well. However, it seems that most of that stuff was going on in the 70's, and mostly by the guys who were creating the more counterculture fringe type books.<br /><br />The most shocking thing to me was how demanding so many of those guys were. People like Englehart and Gerber would practically insist on complete autonomy on all their projects and they would accept virtually no editorial interference. As a result they would occasionally do things like destroy the Earth or the entire universe and then have it undone through time travel or remade by beings like Eternity. So basically everyone in the Marvel Universe has died on more than one occasion and then been brought back by magic or what not. I found that a bit disconcerting myself.<br /><br />And, if anyone would question or try to alter their stuff in any way they would fly off the handle and quit. Then they would be hired by DC, and would eventually get into it with the management over there and quit again, and be rehired by Marvel. I couldn't believe how many times they got away with burning their bridges just to have them rebuilt. Heck, I would have just been so happy that I was actually getting paid to make comics that I would have probably been easy to take advantage of I guess.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16988016825582035390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-13161307153165375332012-11-14T13:20:36.606-06:002012-11-14T13:20:36.606-06:00Great cover with Master Man, and I agree Kirby on ...Great cover with Master Man, and I agree Kirby on Invaders would've been dynamite.<br /><br />William I just read Marvel Comics: The Untold Story. Compulsive reading! Hard to put down.<br /><br />I always liked that Wonder Woman cover by Ross Andru. Too bad the interiors were never as good. <br /><br />Kirby on Conan, or some sword and sorcery title? Hulk?Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-50570864819836097702012-11-14T13:20:09.241-06:002012-11-14T13:20:09.241-06:00No one's mentioned Thor yet..
Another book w...No one's mentioned Thor yet.. <br /><br />Another book with dwindling sales numbers by the mid-'70s, but unlike Invaders and Inhumans, still had awesome art by Big John.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-75614140554118303602012-11-14T12:34:38.637-06:002012-11-14T12:34:38.637-06:00Dougie --
SVTU had actually crossed my mind as we...Dougie --<br /><br />SVTU had actually crossed my mind as well.<br /><br />As to the Inhumans, I'm a little jaded on that one, as Jack's writing on the first two issues of Amazing Adventures was so bad. I reviewed those stories once upon a time -- you can access them on our sidebar.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-56632670891257150972012-11-14T12:25:09.146-06:002012-11-14T12:25:09.146-06:00Suggestions of Dr. Doom or the Inhumans (taking us...Suggestions of Dr. Doom or the Inhumans (taking us right back to the end of the Silver Age) sound appealing. How about Super-Villain Team-Up with an assault on Attilan by Doom and his pawn, Namor? Subby vs. Black Bolt, anyone?<br /><br />The other 70s title I would like to see Kirby on would be the Champions ( although I think Jack wouldn't have been a great fit on Ghost Rider). The adventure of two mutants and a slinky spy on Mount Olympus!<br /><br />My third proposal is a bit more obscure: Red Wolf. I'm picturing Space Gods descending on Las Vegas and crazy Texas tycoons a la The Duke of Oil.Dougiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03965448821892833703noreply@blogger.com