tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post945672498794789302..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: Bracketology: Dressed For Success!Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-45716269622213521322012-09-06T10:10:43.567-05:002012-09-06T10:10:43.567-05:00Dave Cockrum's bronze age redesign of The Legi...Dave Cockrum's bronze age redesign of The Legion of Super-Heroes sort of stands all by itself, but Frank Thorne also comes very close to being my favorite, with his iconic Red Sonja.<br /><br />I'm a Bronze Age fan, so virtually all of the listed options rank highly with me. Label me too biased to select a single one (or ten)!Chuck Wellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04529750105224374839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-14103524733332538522012-09-06T09:51:12.231-05:002012-09-06T09:51:12.231-05:00Hi Doug, apologies vis Hank. I hadn’t read your g...Hi Doug, apologies vis Hank. I hadn’t read your guidelines clearly enough. <br /><br />I think you’re right about people confusing the costume with the story and/or era but it’s very easily done. I had to correct myself a few times. When you think of classic Captain Marvel issues, you think first of the Starlin issues and secondly of the Gil Kane issues (all red & blue costume), but I really preferred his Kree uniform, hence I nominated that.<br /><br />I also think there’s something in way certain artists draw certain costumes as opposed to others i.e. a costume could be great in the hands of some artists and rubbish in the hands of others. Byrne drew Cap like his upper body was in chain mail, but lazier artists drew it like Spandex. Similarly, we were laughing about Red Sonja being 4 colour Viagra, but actually she always looked great because she was drawn by artists with a feel for her form...not just Byrne’s steel bikini, but also Smith’s mythril chain mail vest (Song of Red Sonja) and Frank Thorne (whose autobiography ‘Drawing Sexy Women’ pretty much lays out his manifesto). I think they got that if a character’s clothes/costume hide their shape, you can do what you want, but if they’re running around half naked, then you bloody well have to draw them properly & consistently. <br /><br />Likewise that Goliath costume was OK by Kirby & Heck, but it really came into its own from the get go under Big John ( picture him under Dragon Man’s arm on the cover of Avengers 41...that costume had never looked so good). <br /><br />Richard<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-59592567217890739202012-09-06T08:54:43.812-05:002012-09-06T08:54:43.812-05:00Yes, I believe there is a lot of chaff in the list...Yes, I believe there is a lot of chaff in the list -- I began to wonder if some of the suggestions blurred the line between "really cool costume" and "I really liked that character or liked that character in storyline X".<br /><br />I mean, Plastic Man?? I'm no maven of fashion, but that's an ugly get-up. <br /><br />But I'll leave him on the list.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-2470409078679041752012-09-06T07:48:16.294-05:002012-09-06T07:48:16.294-05:00Oh my goodness-!
Then TOTALLY disregard those 4 or...Oh my goodness-!<br />Then TOTALLY disregard those 4 or 5 middling additional suggestions I made above, right? (Personally, I've been so over-Wolverined for so over-long that I find it a relief to not see him represented. Not one to shy away from blasphemy, is ol' HB. . . )<br /><br />I'd also suggest adding Galactus back in (he'd get my vote, very likely) and generally take the excess out of the bajillion submissions I made. WAY too long of a list. . . <br /><br />HBhumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-55003551618706273362012-09-06T01:17:04.762-05:002012-09-06T01:17:04.762-05:00Well-- thank you, Doug. I feel very fortunate to h...Well-- thank you, Doug. I feel very fortunate to have her included- and appreciative. I did not intend that you take off one of your favorites.! I think she is a worthy inclusion.<br /><br />Thanks for listening to my voice in this- it makes me feel good to have my opinion acknowledged.<br /><br />ADAMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-43849154959732802162012-09-05T23:09:38.388-05:002012-09-05T23:09:38.388-05:00Doug, we must add Conan! Those furry shorts..!!
J...Doug, we must add Conan! Those furry shorts..!!<br /><br />Just kiddin'...: )Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-27417738725039451202012-09-05T20:25:48.736-05:002012-09-05T20:25:48.736-05:00Adam --
I'll remove Galactus from the list; h...Adam --<br /><br />I'll remove Galactus from the list; he was my own personal nominee. Consider Power Girl added.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-40341248753712881492012-09-05T20:15:21.072-05:002012-09-05T20:15:21.072-05:00Doug- Commented earlier. Know you are closing this...Doug- Commented earlier. Know you are closing this, but would really like you to consider POWER GIRL.<br /><br />Thanks, ADAMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-76687897664516272372012-09-05T20:02:20.013-05:002012-09-05T20:02:20.013-05:00Um, no -- I do not believe we need 28 more. To be...Um, no -- I do not believe we need 28 more. To be honest, I wasn't wild about heading to 96. It does take some time to create the brackets, update them, post the individual polls, etc. So I'd actually like to cut some characters off of the list.<br /><br />I will abide by Edo's suggestion to take the Wasp off -- as some have suggested, she could occupy a poll all her own (although I am not stepping up to do any sort of picture poll, which that specific one would necessitate).<br /><br />So, I am hereby closing nominations, and I will be trimming the list back to 96. I really do appreciate everyone's enthusiasm, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to be a bit selfish about this and look out for my own personal time.<br /><br />I hope that doesn't diminish anyone's enthusiasm -- this should be fun.<br /><br />Look for the brackets and the first set of polls (this is going to take us quite awhile to get through) on Sunday.<br /><br />Thanks again for participating,<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-250448947940491912012-09-05T18:08:27.953-05:002012-09-05T18:08:27.953-05:00Hmm. Three Wonder-Mans (Wonder-Men?), but no Wove...Hmm. Three Wonder-Mans (Wonder-Men?), but no Woverine?? The indisputable Face of the Bronze Age?? Wow, that's hard to believe. Personally, I kind of liked the tan/brown version of his outfit over his "classic" or the "original"-- but I think I'm in the minority on that one.<br /><br />Am I right that we need, like, 28 more or so? I'll happily toss some more in that are perfectly suitable to be rejected by any and all-- will that work?<br /><br />Like the Prowler-- always liked his outfit, in fact.<br /><br />The Shocker has been MUCH improved over the years, and yet has remained visually quite distinctive.<br /><br />Man-Wolf: George Perez' Sword&Sorcery gear, in Creatures on the Loose (boy, does that take ya back!)<br /><br />Jack O'Lantern: A third-rate knock-off of the Hobgoblin (a 2nd-rate knock off of the Green Goblin, mind you)-- but that blazing, leering pumpkin head on the green body suit was a great modern-day Ichabod Crane nightmare.<br /><br />Hmmm-- and now I really am starting to run up against the wall. About 90% of the characters out there (villains, heroes, men & women) tend to fall into whatever the generic popular "look" of their time period may have been. But heck, I'm SURE I've contributed enough at this point-!<br /><br />HBhumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-57867014453438420382012-09-05T12:00:18.213-05:002012-09-05T12:00:18.213-05:00Ugh... My apologies (again) HB! I thought I had t...Ugh... My apologies (again) HB! I thought I had the Phantom Stranger on the list. I think all the going back-and-forth from the comments to the spreadsheet I was creating caused me to miss a few. PhStr has been added.<br /><br />This is becoming a daunting task...<br /><br />Smiles,<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-27427022439355358632012-09-05T11:26:16.089-05:002012-09-05T11:26:16.089-05:00Ooo-- and I'm gonna stump one more time for th...Ooo-- and I'm gonna stump one more time for the Phantom Stranger, 'cause I did an image-search, and if anything, he's even cooler than I remembered! I do think I have a slight preference for his Silver Age look, where the dress shirt and suit were adorned with a simple, conservative black tie-- but it's simply impossible for him not to look great. Sort of Green Hornet, Dr. Strange, and "The Adjustment Bureau" all rolled into one. . .<br /><br />HB<br /><br />PS-- Hmm, are we going for a 128-slot mega-bracket then, y'think?humanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-17628445101123007252012-09-05T10:00:11.664-05:002012-09-05T10:00:11.664-05:00My apologies for the omission of the Scarlet Witch...My apologies for the omission of the Scarlet Witch. I meant to type that in and just missed it.<br /><br />It's been corrected.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-80724237410535634602012-09-05T09:38:40.593-05:002012-09-05T09:38:40.593-05:00Using Doug's outline, he's correct in Hank...Using Doug's outline, he's correct in Hank as YJ (or Antman in Avengers #93 as well..), so forgo my mention of Hank's earlier costume stylings from the Silver Era. <br /><br />As for Wanda, it's a classic look, but is it considered snazzy..?<br /><br />Wanda looks great and it's certainly memorable, but in reality, it's a single-colored swimsuit with matching boots, gloves, cape and tiara.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-49077980985102492102012-09-05T09:15:16.673-05:002012-09-05T09:15:16.673-05:00Richard --
Was Hank Pym active in that outfit dur...Richard --<br /><br />Was Hank Pym active in that outfit during the Bronze Age? We have Ant-Man (Avengers #161 and Scott Lang version) and Yellowjacket on the list. I don't believe, unless I'm really forgetting a story, that Hank wore that outfit after 1970.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-41651715845016142882012-09-05T08:54:44.869-05:002012-09-05T08:54:44.869-05:00Hey Doug....on behalf of David B and myself, we’ve...Hey Doug....on behalf of David B and myself, we’ve got issues, Dude. We both wanted Wanda (probably in every sense of the word), but, more shockingly, we both asked for Goliath in the classic yellow/blue, David actually has it as his avatar, and, most worryingly....that’s your all time favourite hero in your all time favourite costume. A fatal mistake, my friend. Now... who are you and what have you done with the real Doug ? <br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-68265876650717517992012-09-05T08:09:30.610-05:002012-09-05T08:09:30.610-05:00
I like the fact that the Falcon got in for both c...<br />I like the fact that the Falcon got in for both costumes. Not so sure about Wondy. I love the original. That 2nd one that Wanda made for him was like the love child of a paint chart and a traffic light. I think when Ultron blasted it clean off him, it was less super-villainy and more fashion critique. The Safari suit is just hilarious. Even Wondy said he was wearing it because he had given up on costumes. It would be a triumph for sheer bloody-mindedness if that won. <br /><br />Richard<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-35367511218049282142012-09-05T04:01:29.880-05:002012-09-05T04:01:29.880-05:00Saw this and wanted to add or buttress some choice...Saw this and wanted to add or buttress some choices.<br /><br />Spider-Woman's IS a great costume.<br /><br />Moon Knight is excellent. The first time I remember seeing him was off a Werewolf by Night cover when I was very little.<br /><br />'I' will give love to Phantom Stranger and his look. I think choosing him would be amplified because of his mystique and persona.<br /><br />I think The Spectre's look is very memorable; the design, and the green and white are great together.<br /><br />Red Sonja DOES look good in what little she wears. Maybe someone should just admit it, instead of falling back on these politically-correct apologetics that have taken over everything; increasingly lame world we are living in. So, Sonja IS arousing.<br /><br />Also arousing, but who I think genuinely has a neat costume design is Power Girl. I do like the version with the bared chest, however, I really think all around she wears a great outfit. The colors, design- it seems to just 'fit' the character (any pun only semi-intended).<br /><br />A few other might be: Huntress, Yes-- Adam Warlock, Doctor Doom, Punisher, and I think Stingray stands out with his cosume.<br /><br />In the end, Spider-Woman has a very well designed costume, and is one of my favorites.<br /><br />Phantom Stranger's is great when combined with his mystical appeal, and really goes with the character.<br /><br />And, that makes me think of, and someone mentioned Deadman earlier- his outfit is well conceived also.<br /><br />Of course, Power Girl is a favorite. I always liked, too, the way her cape was attached over her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-42898631110416987512012-09-05T03:34:13.784-05:002012-09-05T03:34:13.784-05:00This may sound almost blasphemous, but maybe the W...This may sound almost blasphemous, but maybe the Wasp should be disqualified - that "any version" doesn't really seem fair, as in all other cases everyone nominated specific costume designs. Perhaps it would be better to hold an all-Wasp bracketology instead, as I suggested in my first comment.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-12059304354988017562012-09-05T01:18:02.571-05:002012-09-05T01:18:02.571-05:00Some of my favourites are Silver Age ( bearded Gre...Some of my favourites are Silver Age ( bearded Green Arrow. Deadman, Phantom Stranger). My Bronze Age picks are:<br /> Moondragon; Wein's Nighthawk; Nightcrawler; Perlin's Moon Knight; Union Jack; 1st Ms. Marvel; Neal Adams Earth-2 Robin; Timber Wolf and Lightning Lad; and Simonson's Manhunter.<br /><br />I agree that Perez's designs were generally awful, the worst being his Legion efforts and the fussy sword and sorcery outfits of Troia and Jericho.Dougiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03965448821892833703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-61284292400461803082012-09-05T00:02:52.351-05:002012-09-05T00:02:52.351-05:00Awesome list. I'm thinking that Spider-Man sho...Awesome list. I'm thinking that Spider-Man should have a listing for his classic red and blues as well as his black alien suit, because that was very cool as well.Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16988016825582035390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-37614958369644815132012-09-04T23:47:25.913-05:002012-09-04T23:47:25.913-05:00Great list -this should be fun!!Great list -this should be fun!!Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-15868295007272406892012-09-04T21:41:24.523-05:002012-09-04T21:41:24.523-05:00Garrett --
Thanks -- list has been updated.
Doug...Garrett --<br /><br />Thanks -- list has been updated.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-49327482948909657392012-09-04T21:28:42.306-05:002012-09-04T21:28:42.306-05:00Hey Doug, Iron Fist is missing. Also the Zatanna I...Hey Doug, Iron Fist is missing. Also the Zatanna I'm backing is the Dillin version--I think Perez drew a later outfit. Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-5118397314737995562012-09-04T20:58:59.768-05:002012-09-04T20:58:59.768-05:00OK, kids --
I've received a whopping 96 nomi...OK, kids -- <br /><br />I've received a whopping 96 nominations! That works on a bracket, but I hesitate to stop there. Check out the list back on the main post and chew on it for awhile. Should we add more (because this is pretty overwhelming), or pare down? Keep commenting, and I'll try to get this pulled together for release on Sunday.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.com