tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post1905103119696638589..comments2024-03-12T07:42:50.050-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: Face-Off: Dave, or Sammy?Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-375604280779703732011-04-03T09:34:13.435-05:002011-04-03T09:34:13.435-05:00As long as Eddie is playing guitar on it, who care...As long as Eddie is playing guitar on it, who cares? The man is incredible. Having said that, it's very rare that I listen to any of the albums with Sammy on vocals. Hagar's lyrics are embarrassingly bad. They just don't carry the self-deprecating humour of Dave's lyrics and come across as offensively sexist. I actually love the Van Halen III version of the band with Cherone; so I'm probably in the minority of VH fans.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11355012584791239584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-36462527598697978812011-04-03T01:38:53.363-05:002011-04-03T01:38:53.363-05:00I'll echo the others: the original was the def...I'll echo the others: the original was the definitive version. <br /><br />I've met several people that believe otherwise, but apparently they don't post on this blog.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00267401771086411957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-14789852288901980382011-04-02T19:36:31.698-05:002011-04-02T19:36:31.698-05:00Doug, you hit it on the head when you said "....Doug, you hit it on the head when you said "... like two different bands."<br /><br />Very different. <br /><br />Van Halen w/ Sammy was a huge band from the start - kind of a "super group" really. They cranked out tons of pretty innocuous, mainstream hits.<br />Great musicians, great singer, good music. But that band never blew anybody's mind.<br /><br />Van Halen with Dave was young, hungry and totally unlike anything that anybody had ever seen or heard before. Van Halen with Dave blew a lot of minds. The juxtaposition of the quiet genius and technical wizardry of Eddie, against the testosterone dripping, harlequin/gameshow host, Roth... was unimaginable before anybody ever saw it, and unrepeatable once it ended. <br /><br />That band sent thousands of teenage boys to music stores to learn how to play and changed the course of rock music for years. Attempts to sound like Eddie and act like Dave generated most of what happened in hard rock, good or bad, for the next ten years. <br /><br />Van Halen with Dave was an awesome, awesome band all the way til the end. Long gone now.Sharper13xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18275818335558623630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-11718995279460149792011-04-02T16:27:36.756-05:002011-04-02T16:27:36.756-05:00Yeah, I agree with everyone else: this almost seem...Yeah, I agree with everyone else: this almost seems like a joke question to me. The obvious answer is Dave, of course.<br />As far as Hagar's concerned, in my opinion he reached his peak with the "Standing Hampton" album and did nothing I considered worth listening to after that, whether solo or with Van Halen.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-15827553714614910302011-04-02T14:23:30.808-05:002011-04-02T14:23:30.808-05:00While I like some of the Hagar-era stuff, David Le...While I like some of the Hagar-era stuff, David Lee Roth fronted the definitive version of the band. <br /><br />That quartet was wilder, more inventive and, most importantly, more plugged in to the anarchic spirit of rock n' roll. Consider the intro to Hot for the Teacher -- Nobody else was doing stuff like that at the time. Today's bands pale in comparison.<br /><br />The Hagar-era stuff sounds slicker but a lot less exciting. It may be musically less complex, but it lacks the breezy spirit of earlier stuff. A lot of their songs would have fit right in with a Journey or Foreigner album, while the Roth band was more like the Jimi Hendrix Experience.<br /><br />On paper, Hagar was more talented. He had a wider range as a singer, could play guitar and could compose music. You can find plenty of interviews with Eddie from the 80s and 90s making those points. The presumption was the band could do way more with Hagar than with Roth.<br /><br />But chemistry matters as much as talent. Maybe more. Hagar could never create the same dynamic as Roth did. Hagar made the whole band sound like him: a middle-brow journeyman rocker.<br /><br />Roth was technically less talented and may have been insufferable as a person, but he somehow brought out the best in the others.Inkstained Wretchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-10049018897234954732011-04-02T13:05:18.956-05:002011-04-02T13:05:18.956-05:00Dave. I even loved that stupid "Just a Gigil...Dave. I even loved that stupid "Just a Gigilo" video.<br /><br />starfoxxxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-19972825508244192002011-04-02T11:40:48.857-05:002011-04-02T11:40:48.857-05:00Ditto. Wasn't the same after Dave left. They...Ditto. Wasn't the same after Dave left. They became Van Hagar.<br /><br />darpyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-87797245289156279032011-04-02T09:44:25.494-05:002011-04-02T09:44:25.494-05:00While I liked 5150 quite a bit, I have to agree wi...While I liked 5150 quite a bit, I have to agree with the first poster. David Lee Roth made the band what it was and there's no other band before or since quite like Van Halen. With DLR at the helm, they were one of the great American bands despite never being taken too seriously.<br /><br />But DLR didn't want that anyway (which is another reason to love the guy).<br /><br />"Panama!"Glenn, kenixfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00735095946077123391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-49911637359610888142011-04-02T07:15:20.959-05:002011-04-02T07:15:20.959-05:00As far as I'm concerned, Van Halen ceased to e...As far as I'm concerned, Van Halen ceased to exist when Diamond Dave left.Ray "!!" Tomczakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04414983266540609266noreply@blogger.com