tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post2519300885264258253..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: Lions and Bulls and Rams... Oh My!Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-19255664120405439952012-03-02T12:10:31.285-06:002012-03-02T12:10:31.285-06:00Cap happened to see them fighting Zodiac atop the ...Cap happened to see them fighting Zodiac atop the WTC? Why didn't I catch the implausibility of that? Bwah-hahah! I think I moved on to the mysteries of the Mantis subplot; I can't remember when it crossed my mind how little background check she had coming in. Upon looking at the Avengers Trailer, it doesn't look like the careless rag-tag assemblage will come together in such off-the-cuff ways as members did before Gyrich.<br />Vision did present the messiest rescue possibility, but points for novelty! David b is right: the Kooky Quartet would be run in for this. My gosh, what am I doing with my morning? LOLcease illhttp://integr8dfix.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-73249088210423072162011-02-22T08:42:00.344-06:002011-02-22T08:42:00.344-06:00I think some of the comments for this issue are in...I think some of the comments for this issue are interesting. I wrote my portion of the next issue's (#122) review well over a week ago, and thought I was overly critical of Englehart's storytelling. But after reading all of your comments, I'm finding that my reservations are not so much out of line with everyone else's.<br /><br />And I, like you, David -- still like this story. Funny how forgiving we are when a particular tale has an anchor in our own personal age of innocence, isn't it?<br /><br />Hey, thanks to everyone for always sharing -- maybe Karen and I don't say that often enough. I look forward to reading everyone's thoughts throughout my day!<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-89132576265242754642011-02-22T08:35:44.546-06:002011-02-22T08:35:44.546-06:00Thanks Fred, excellent points.., can't wait to...Thanks Fred, excellent points.., can't wait to hear from everyone else.<br /><br />Reflecting again on my comments on the Vish save..,<br /><br />1) Yes, obviously the WTC wasn't 'destroyed' per se, since Vish's hand only went in about 6 inches or so.., just enough to break the concrete. And Ironman was there to fix the concrete brick (just how repulsor rays are supposed to 'fix' concrete is beyond me...). Just what are those rays made of anyhow?<br /><br />2) But if you only cut into 6 inches, not enough to totally compromise the structure any more severely than Tony Stark's ability to physically mend.., then why would Thor have to stabilize the entire building..?<br /><br />Totally agreed on Cap's appearance. The idea I took away was that he was concerned about his pals, and perhaps needed some good PR by fighting baddies with the team.<br /><br />Still, one of my favorite Avengers issues ever.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-29410567942630438182011-02-21T17:04:48.735-06:002011-02-21T17:04:48.735-06:00Gotta admit I share both your joys and misgivings ...Gotta admit I share both your joys and misgivings about this issue, David, and I was 11 when I first read this. An exciting romp if you just went with the flow, but a lot of silly elements as you, Doug & Karen all brought up, on reflection. And this wouldn't be the first time Cap, or, later, Nomad, would just happen to "bump into" the Avengers during Englehart's run. That he just happened to spot them above the WTC reminds me of a panel from the same era in which Spider-Man is shown swinging above the WTC, with his web apparently attached to an even taller building (someone won a No-Prize out of that gaffe). Considering that it didn't seem Cap had a whole lot of spare time between getting busted out of jail and making his way to Nashville in search of the Secret Empire, it doesn't seem likely he would have had an opportunity to make his way to the WTC to help out his avenging pals, but what's one more suspension of belief?<br />Regarding the Vision's ruse, Vizh had learned the tactic from none other than Captain America himself, as revealed in the Grim Reaper/Space Phantom yarn from issues #107-108. Doesn't seem too out of character that Vizh would resort to lying again when he felt it was necessary for the greater good, and as the Space Phantom noted, he could be an excellent liar.Fred W. Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07602124919964053532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-51916411085978557582011-02-21T07:47:22.654-06:002011-02-21T07:47:22.654-06:00OK, as mentioned for ish 120, this is one of my al...OK, as mentioned for ish 120, this is one of my all-time favorite Avengers arcs.. Great pacing, excellent art, interesting subplots starting (Mantis past, Swordsman introspective, etc). Steve did great in trying to fold in the events in CA&F with this storyline (more so during the Klaw story a few ishs later) and I think he did superb.<br /><br />First, the appearance of Cap. Never did I find my 10yr old self actually jumping out of my seat whooping for a splash appearance like I did with Cap here. BIG into CA&F at the time, first year of reading comics and BAM, you get the sense that while not missed before, Cap arriving on the scene just 'completes' the team.<br /><br />Then, the Vision rescue. Tearing a huge building full of people to save Mantis..: "Are you serious..?"<br /><br />If the 'kooky quartet' would have done this much damage (like they did against Powerman years before..), they would have been arrested or something. This to me has got to be one of the silliest, over-dramatic rescues ever. Either Thor or Ironman could have flew down to scoop her up, Wanda could have made the molecules lighter under her or something. For a story I happen to love, I jut feel the utter destruction of one of the largest buildings in NYC to save Mantis was at best a wonky Avengers-style solution, but at worst a shortcoming of what otherwise was a fast-moving second part of this arc. <br /><br />Incidently, that's what I love about Marvel story-telling..: Sometimes to really love a story, you really have to keep one eye shut..<br /><br />Was the idea of slowing down Mantis's falling a obvious response to reader's reaction to Gwen's plunge just a few months past..? That's what comes to my mind first and formost.<br /><br />Moving on, I loved the tracking down of Zodiac to the warehouse, and the startling final page ratchets up the excitement even more. My enjoyment of the events of this ish forces me to look past the silliness of the warehouse actually being a spaceship. For the cost of building/planning to lift a square warehouse into space, wouldn't a bomb simply have been more cost-effective to take out the Avengers..? Again, one eye closed.<br /><br />Thanks Doug and Karen.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.com