tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post5233550235995357171..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: BAB Classic: The Comics Code Authority: Revised to Relax, Part 3Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-24790734690248327622013-01-15T12:31:46.953-06:002013-01-15T12:31:46.953-06:00Welcome Wardhill Terry! Glad you made the jump. I ...Welcome Wardhill Terry! Glad you made the jump. I know what you mean about finding the time to comment -believe me, finding the time to POST is a struggle! I appreciate you stepping forward, and as Doug says, we'll try to give DC a little more love this year. heck, I have two Jack Kirby Fourth World Omnibuses (Ominbusi?) that I can review, so there's no excuse, really.<br /><br />Hope to hear from you again-<br />KarenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-35466918318527671812013-01-15T12:25:57.459-06:002013-01-15T12:25:57.459-06:00A lurker exposed! Wardhill Terry, a hearty welcom...A lurker exposed! Wardhill Terry, a hearty welcome to you!<br /><br />In an effort to get some more DC going, I'll be writing reviews for another Haney/Adams B&B featuring the Flash, a Kubert Tarzan one-and-done, as well as a Thomas/Rogers Earth-2 Batman story. Karen and I have long discussed the need to get more Legion reviews going. So while we are Marvel Zombies (heh), we are aware that some of our readers are a bit more diversified.<br /><br />Again, welcome. I can die a happier man now!<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-71541850054125997482013-01-15T12:15:49.456-06:002013-01-15T12:15:49.456-06:00Okay, Doug, I'll end my observational silence....Okay, Doug, I'll end my observational silence. I enjoy the hell out of this site, but usually my time is very limited, so I don't take time to comment. Oh, but the posts I've conceived in my mind! I hereby resolve to try to be a more active participant! Mostly, because I think there needs to be more DC boosting, and I'm the guy for that. WardHill Terrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-18045584473534590352013-01-15T10:29:49.119-06:002013-01-15T10:29:49.119-06:00This rerun has truly enjoyed a new life, almost an...This rerun has truly enjoyed a new life, almost an afterlife so to speak. It's... a zuvembie!<br /><br />I really enjoy everyone's input each day, and to my dying day won't understand why our non-commenting readers don't get in on and relish the fun that has become our little Bronze Age community.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-52433506725445620522013-01-15T10:26:38.886-06:002013-01-15T10:26:38.886-06:00If Tim Burton's doing the Hansel & Gretel ...If Tim Burton's doing the Hansel & Gretel flick, I'd go see it...<br />David, I don't know if Carter will ever go after Bigfoot, but according to Kim Stanley Robinson, he did met a yeti in Katmandu while speaking at some kind of UN conference in Nepal in the early 1980s (if you're interested, read Robinson's "Escape from Katmandu").Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-46144801635187130922013-01-15T07:43:43.010-06:002013-01-15T07:43:43.010-06:00I'm for one glad the 'zombie' stuff is...I'm for one glad the 'zombie' stuff is (hopefully) dying down. I remember reading certain police departments now undergoing 'zombie defense training'.<br /><br />"Please.."<br /><br />It's developed into more than an urban myth - Taxpayer money is now set aside for it in certain areas. I'd LOVE to just sit in the first day of class for that.<br /><br />Like all the vampire stuff of the early '70s.., jeez, enough already.<br /><br />Still LMAO about the Lincoln 'Vampire Hunter' and Lincoln vs Zombies movies. <br /><br />Jeez, before you know it, FDR'll be next.<br /><br /><br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1811315/<br /><br />(.."ooops"..)<br /><br />Ok, who's up for 'Jimmy Carter vs. Bigfoot'..?david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-3644158581502940302013-01-15T07:31:48.942-06:002013-01-15T07:31:48.942-06:00Hmm. Not a bad point, Karen. Especially since (t...Hmm. Not a bad point, Karen. Especially since (to my mind) it's ultimately such a limited genre' when you get down to basics. Be they science-based or supernatural. . . the zombies themselves aren't particularly interesting as characters, which really limits any sustained interest for me.<br /><br />Let's see-- a new supernatural fixation. How 'bout. . . let's see. . . maybe. . . maybe. . . Aha! VAMPIRES! I bet no one would see THAT comin'--!! (*choke*-- sorry folks, sorry)<br /><br />Myself, I've been kind of enjoying the wave of updated fairy-tale based shows and movies of the last couple of years-- although I haven't been able to immerse myself in them as much as I'd like. But-- saw a trailer for "HANSEL & GRETEL: WITCH HUNTERS" recently, which doesn't appear to be aiming for the wry or the ironic, so I'm thinking that this sub-trend may already have peaked. That's kind of too bad, as there truly is a vast wealth of public-domain material to be drawn from for both adaptation and inspiration.<br /><br />Beyond that, I feel like it's been quite some time since we've had a straight science-fiction fixation on television and in films. . . and the pendulum may be due to swing back that way before too long.<br /><br />HBhumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-8733781465471681362013-01-14T21:18:27.839-06:002013-01-14T21:18:27.839-06:00Not sure what happened but that post got a little ...Not sure what happened but that post got a little mixed up in the reposting I think. But you all seemed to have enjoyed it regardless.<br /><br />I have to say, I am zombied out. I really don't care if they are fast or slow, flesh eaters or voodoo servants, I just don't want to see them any more!I think we need a new supernatural fixation. Trolls? I don't know.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-71615113605282656302013-01-14T20:44:39.106-06:002013-01-14T20:44:39.106-06:00Yeesh, you could have this guy, Tyroc, and the Hyp...Yeesh, you could have this guy, Tyroc, and the Hypno Hustler in a "Who's got the most humiliating costume?" smack-down. Cripes-- Dark Super-Chicken, as it were. Who knew the trend had started that early?<br /><br />HBhumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-3397845325483525142013-01-14T11:47:43.771-06:002013-01-14T11:47:43.771-06:00Love that Buscema panel with the snake dance--perf...Love that Buscema panel with the snake dance--perfect subject for Buscema. Also the "Wonder Man!" panel, refreshing Perez art.<br /><br />"Brother Leghorn"--haha Edo! : )Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-48246036436931380752013-01-14T11:29:00.235-06:002013-01-14T11:29:00.235-06:00Well, the wedding between Vizh and Wanda did do on...Well, the wedding between Vizh and Wanda did do one good thing - it got us to see the Vision in a bathing suit.dbutler16https://www.blogger.com/profile/00046066729353639991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-84545422648155331752013-01-14T10:29:45.339-06:002013-01-14T10:29:45.339-06:00BTW -- Regarding zombies it is kind of a pet peeve...BTW -- Regarding zombies it is kind of a pet peeve of mine that their connection to voodoo -- where the term comes from in the first place -- is so rarely made nowadays. This Avengers story is a rare example that does do that (and it is more than three decades old now).<br /><br />Ever since Night of the Living Dead -- an admittedly great film -- people only think of them as rotting, flesh-eating monsters. I've even heard people argue over what the "rules" for zombies are ("They have to move slow!" "No, they can run fast! Haven't you seen the Dawn of the Dead?") as if that stuff wasn't made up strictly for films...<br /><br />No, traditional zombies are the slaves of voodoo masters. I've made it a crusade to get move people to see 1932's White Zombie and 1942's I Walked With A Zombie to straighten this out.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Inkstained Wretchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-14877051259380859202013-01-14T10:20:09.520-06:002013-01-14T10:20:09.520-06:00Regarding the Black Talon's costume: Yeah, the...Regarding the Black Talon's costume: Yeah, the design is pretty bad or at least not very well thought out. Still, I don't think the renditions that John Buscema or George Perez did were *that* bad. What everyone remembers is that version from the issue's Jack Kirby cover... and the King did drop the ball on this one.<br /><br />Which is kind of atypical actually. Kirby did a LOT of covers for Marvel around this time, including a year-long run on the Avengers and most were really good. (If you couldn't get the King the illustrate the stories others wrote, at least you could get him to illustrate the covers, which is something.)<br /><br />But this one obviously stumped him...Inkstained Wretchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-38115664803950099692013-01-14T09:57:01.845-06:002013-01-14T09:57:01.845-06:00Firmly agreed with Edo as the wedding mis-step. Ac...Firmly agreed with Edo as the wedding mis-step. Actually, it wasn't so much the wedding, you still could have had solo stories or missions with one and not the other, angst/jealousy, and all the spark of earlier stories; instead the writers chose to permanently keep them together in nearly each panel and take focus off of them, sort of 'well, they're domestic now, so let them fade into the background'. THAT progession should be criticized more so than the idea to wed itself. They probably saw the Reed-Sue model and used that construct. The Attuma arc and the fight with Wonderman were steps in the right direction, they should have had more of that. <br /><br />To be blunt, Wanda wasn't all that interesting before she got hitched, until Mantis came on the scene as the 'team whore' (as deliberately referenced by a Bullpen member in the 'Untold Stories' book) and the jealousy storyline played itself out, a huge thanks to Mr. Englehart.<br /><br />As for the mention of uneven story execution during this period, I do find the entire 151-162 period as a definitely high-point for the Avengers during this time-frame (I didn't like the preceeding Tuska/Heck art nor Hellcat..). I had stopped collecting back at ish 129 due to lousy mid-west distribution and I distinctly recall seeing 151 and 152 on the racks and sayin' 'Hmmm, this looks like great art' so I bought 'em and the next dozen issues or so until losing interest again.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-70400769353864804012013-01-14T09:31:31.674-06:002013-01-14T09:31:31.674-06:00Funny you guys decided to re-post this now - I'...Funny you guys decided to re-post this now - I'm currently reading through my "Bride of Ultron" book, and just last night read Avengers #160, featuring the Grim Reaper's 'trial' of Vision and Wonder Man, and this story was heavily referenced therein.<br />I also got a laugh out of Karen's Foghorn Leghorn observation; in fact, they should have called him something like Brother Leghorn, Dr. Orpington or Captain Wyandotte...<br />Also, concerning Karen's comment above, about Vision becoming a bit boring, I have to say that this is why I always thought his marriage to Wanda was kind of a bad idea - it actually made both of them a bit boring if they were happy. On the other hand, it gets irritating if their marriage is always undergoing some kind of crisis.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-61844247757574674862011-10-12T11:24:37.112-05:002011-10-12T11:24:37.112-05:00I know it's not really relevant to the whole C...I know it's not really relevant to the whole Code discussion, but I can't help pointing out that this marks one of my favorite periods in my long-term favorite Marvel book, leading into the awesome crossovers with AVENGERS ANNUAL #6 (which I know you cover in a later post) and especially my underdog fave, SUPER-VILLAIN TEAM-UP. Conway, Englehart, Perez, Buscema, and Sinnott? I think I died and went to Heaven! And Shooter can go elsewhere...Matthew Bradleyhttp://bradleyonfilm.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-74166820363166516312010-10-13T10:20:05.278-05:002010-10-13T10:20:05.278-05:00Hi Richard,
I think (if I recall correctly) that ...Hi Richard,<br /><br />I think (if I recall correctly) that Wanda's flying was actually Buscema's error -that he drew her flying and they had to go with it.<br /><br />As for my comment about the Vision's then-comfortable existence, I'll stand by it.If you look at the time period from when he married Wanda until Wonder Man returned, Vision had really resolved most of his issues and well, had become a bit boring. Bringing Wonder Man back was a good way to stir things up again. Although Englehart is a favorite of mine, I always felt that the Vision became pretty bland once he settled down and had kids. His entire character had been defined by his concerns over his own humanity, and once these seemed to be satisfied, there wasn't too many places for him to go.<br /><br />KarenKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-53785377987204608692010-10-13T08:03:47.100-05:002010-10-13T08:03:47.100-05:00Hi Guys,
Couple of thoughts:
Doug: While I thoug...Hi Guys, <br />Couple of thoughts: <br />Doug: While I thought Gerry Conway wrote everyone “in-character” (why do I feel the need to keep bringing that up today?)<br />If I remember rightly, this issue begins with Wanda acquiring the power of flight out of nowhere. I realise that’s not what you mean by in character, but pretty fundamental nonetheless. <br />Karen: “what had become a comfortable existence for the Vision”<br />First identity crisis when he was created, 2nd when Ultron re-took control, 3rd when he found out about the brain patterns thing, 4th when he fell in love with Wanda, 5th when a sentinel told him he was way older than he thought, 6th when the Grim Reaper made him an offer he could refuse, 7th when started freezing up and being terrified of seemingly usual (for Avengers) situations, 8th when he found out he was the human torch as well as Wonder Man....he’s had more nervous breakdowns than Mick Jagger.<br />Karen: “To the best of my knowledge, none of the zombies in the books we’ve talked about were flesh-eating ghouls. The Code was essentially unnecessary at that time for Marvel, as they did a good job of policing themselves.”<br />I agree. I seem to remember the Wendigo origin as being horrific when I was little, but when I re-read it a few years back, someone just says he was ...eating....and they leave you to draw your own conclusions.<br />Cheers<br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com