tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post662496965661983873..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: Who's the Worst... Mini-Series You Ever Bought?Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-81622247587204045932014-02-12T16:35:54.713-06:002014-02-12T16:35:54.713-06:00Super Powers mini... It's Kirby's first wo...Super Powers mini... It's Kirby's first work chronologically that brings nothing to the table. And as a diehard Kirby fan, it pains me to admit that such work even exists. That last issue, especially. I'm really surprised no one else has mentioned it here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-23076736768337742442014-02-09T10:56:04.449-06:002014-02-09T10:56:04.449-06:00Abraxas -
Welcome to our community! Looking forwa...Abraxas -<br /><br />Welcome to our community! Looking forward to hearing more from you.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-5894741820586474142014-02-09T00:37:39.714-06:002014-02-09T00:37:39.714-06:00maybe I'm chiming in here too late, but for me...maybe I'm chiming in here too late, but for me any mini series published by marvel after quesada took over. Civil War especially. Actually Marvel for me just doesn't exist after he took over. I think that I just disliked everything so much that I've elevated things that I might not have liked in the late 70s, the 80s and most of the 90s because even things that sucked back then is still way better than anything being published today. <br /><br />This is my first comment here. I've benn reading for a little while and I enjoy your site alot. I'm going to try to comment more in the future.abraxas9971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-5116240505592144902014-02-05T21:08:06.272-06:002014-02-05T21:08:06.272-06:00So glad to discover I'm not alone in my assess...So glad to discover I'm not alone in my assessment of Dark Knight Returns as dreck...most comics readers I've known act like it's the Bible and style manual all in one...which sadly explains why so many modern comics are what they are...Watchmen, too, except Watchmen had really nice art and was pretty good (though I still think it's incredibly overrated)...really I'd rather read something unself-consciously fun like Sword of the Atom, the Shadow War of Hawkman, Green Arrow's 1st miniseries, etc., than these "meaningful" comics.<br />Doc Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08783244633195233970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-53229430111733439032014-02-05T08:34:18.372-06:002014-02-05T08:34:18.372-06:00I have to say hands down....drum roll please....Se...I have to say hands down....drum roll please....Secret Wars!....As much as I like Mike Zeck's art, I believe editor Jim Shooter made him re-draw pages. It was a total mess all designed to sell toys. I wish that Sal Buscema drew the series instead. I did hear a rumor that he drew the first issue and Jim Shooter didn't like the results. However, this series was the beginning of the end of my Marvel brand loyalty. This showed me how an editor's interference hurts a book. Jim should have assigned this project to another top notch talent who knew what he was doing. <br /><br />Secret Wars II had the Beyonder with that disco outfit that was ridiculous. The Al Milgrom art was very painful to see. It's the perfect guide on how not to make a limited series comic. <br /><br />I have to agree with Matt Celis on Dark Knight. The art became very painful to tolerate. I was surprised Neal Adams or another big name artist wasn't asked to draw this series. There are some good moments, however the art is uneven. Dark Knight II: Dark Knight Strikes Back, was another travesty that should have not been published or redrawn by another talent. When I think of all the fans out there, there are fans like myself who would have done justice to the art ....and could have drawn it better than Frank Miller could. Dark Knight II showed me how Frank truly jumped the shark. fantastic four fan forevernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-77741695024804101132014-02-05T08:02:56.867-06:002014-02-05T08:02:56.867-06:00Ahhh, sorry didn't read the late-breaking prev...Ahhh, sorry didn't read the late-breaking previous comments on 'Longbow'.. I found it's realism a bit extreme for my tastes, per my posted comments. <br /><br />Plus as dapper and frankly silly GA's Bronze hat was (like Thor's helmet), I must confess I missed it. Didn't like the new threads at all.<br /><br />His earlier 4-ish limited series was more fun to read.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-6478033887725573502014-02-05T07:10:55.087-06:002014-02-05T07:10:55.087-06:00Ahhhh, no one brought up GA's 'Longbow Hun...Ahhhh, no one brought up GA's 'Longbow Hunters' by Mike Grell. I KNOW I'm in a minority here, but I never warmed to Grell's style in anything, but to turn GA into essentially a urban vigilante ala 'Dark Knight'..? <br /><br />The tone was gritty, lots of realism, and I found it dire, dismal and dull. Big regret.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-81167356642372338362014-02-05T03:17:59.650-06:002014-02-05T03:17:59.650-06:00Doug, re: the World of Krypton mini - yep, that...Doug, re: the World of Krypton mini - yep, that's the one.<br /><br />HB, glad you mentioned Foolkiller; even though I only read it the first time way after the fact (around 2005 or 2006), I must have mentally blocked it out, because I was so incredibly disappointed by it - all the more so because it was written by Steve Gerber, who's otherwise one of my favorite comics writers. That whole series was a misfire - like you noted, he just wrote it as a straight-up grim, bleak and violent story, with a completely unsympathetic title character.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-73971765884206080332014-02-04T23:01:10.041-06:002014-02-04T23:01:10.041-06:00Okay, it's not quite the same thing, but you k...Okay, it's not quite the same thing, but you know what was the worst one-shot (can't get any more 'mini' than that) comic I ever bought? Fantastic Four Roast! I usually like Fred Hembeck's stuff, but this was the most boring, bum-numbing comic I've ever read in my life. A case of an idea stretched FAR too far! Might've worked as a 5-pager, but a whole mag? Sheesh!Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-28525975394123538852014-02-04T21:01:50.047-06:002014-02-04T21:01:50.047-06:00Off-topic:
A couple of weeks ago I highlighted a ...Off-topic:<br /><br />A couple of weeks ago I highlighted <a href="http://marvelousnews.com/ig.php?mode=view&album=Hasbro%2FAll-New_X-Men_Marvel_Legends_Boxset&pic=Marvel_Legends_All-New_X-Men_Boxset_Package_02.jpg&dispsize=600&start=0&sl=17015" rel="nofollow">a new original X-Men boxed set of Marvel Legends</a>. The asking price at that time was a ridiculous $139.99. Happy to report, although it's still well past my price point, that they are now only wanting $89.99. I suppose that's more doable for some.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-34209676146362545582014-02-04T20:43:33.523-06:002014-02-04T20:43:33.523-06:00Well Happy Birthday, Matt!
You don't look a d...Well Happy Birthday, Matt!<br /><br />You don't look a day over 81, my brother!<br /><br />And you've inspired me to re-read Longbow Hunters, too. Thanks!<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-6641339340773216942014-02-04T20:37:40.014-06:002014-02-04T20:37:40.014-06:00I guess I'm lucky I quit DC and Marvel circa &...I guess I'm lucky I quit DC and Marvel circa '88...many of these titles you mention sound unfathomably awful. I enjoyed Secret Wars for what it was: an excuse to have most of the main heroes tussle with a passel of bad guys. Pretty good. <br /><br />Secret Wars II is one I've never read except for whatever crossed over into comics I already bought like Avengers, Spider-Man, Daredevil, FF. But I assume it must be awesome if everyone hates it so much! After all, everything that starts with "S" and ends with "II" is great: Superman II, Star Trek II, Star Wars II (aka Empire Strikes Back)...<br /><br />I kinda want to read Secret Wars II now to see what the heck all the fuss is about.<br /><br />Oh, and Hawkeye's series was fun. Nothing great, but fun. Speaking of archers, someone remind me next week to bring up the 1st Green Arrow miniseries as a longtime favorite. Sooooo much better than that awful Grell series where Black Canary is raped and tortured and Green Arrow decides murder is okay and tosses his trick arrows.<br /><br />P.S. Today's my birthday!Doc Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08783244633195233970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-64769715290681523082014-02-04T20:30:15.809-06:002014-02-04T20:30:15.809-06:00mr. oyola, glad you agree. I guess I was treating ...mr. oyola, glad you agree. I guess I was treating the whole mini as a What If? story - I remember some of those having the same iffy characterization - so I let some of those things go in hopes of it going somewhere. But you are right...it didn't! It was like watching a movie with the last reel missing. Compared to that, I would re-read Secret Wars II any day of the week.<br /><br />I remember being pretty disappointed in the Jack of Hearts mini too...although it's been a long time since I read it. I had always loved the character and they went way out there with his origin.Logannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-83642494002199146852014-02-04T19:44:36.726-06:002014-02-04T19:44:36.726-06:00Logan, I didn't even mention Age of Ultron b/c...Logan, I didn't even mention Age of Ultron b/c it was so recent, but YES! It is by THE WORST mini-series I ever got.<br /><br />Unlike you I think the whole thing was really really terrible. I only ended up getting all the issues b/c it was on my pull-list and so I got a discount and I knew it'd be easier to re-sell as a complete series (which I did, basically making my money back on eBay).<br /><br />It was so bad, in the first issue the big reveal at the end is Captain America sulking in the heroes' secret hideout in a world where Ultron has won. In the second issue at the end he stands up and says "I have a plan!" No joke. I am not exaggerating, that is all that basically happens.<br /><br />Third issue She-Hulk and Luke Cage sacrifice themselves to get info they then turn out to have all along (so really for nothing except for the spectacle of seeing those two heroes die)<br /><br />and then the whole series becomes an exercise in time-travel with Wolverine and Sue Richards (of all people) going back in time to kill Hank Pym to stop him from ever making Ultron, b/c just telling hi won't do it.<br /><br />And then they "break the timeline" and wolverine is forced to kill his own alternate future self and I don't know what else. . . someone appears from the Image Spawn universe b/c Marvel won the rights to the character and more junk. I don't know.<br /><br />Nothing mattered. There was nothing at stake. There was no characterization. No cool superhero fights. Mediocre art. It made no effort to fit into continuity with itself! (for example, in the tie-in issues Spider-Man was the Doc Ock version, but in the main title of the mini, he was written as Peter Parker). Seriously, there was nothing to like no matter what it is you like comics for.mr. oyolahttp://themiddlespaces.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-35943151222391225772014-02-04T18:52:27.810-06:002014-02-04T18:52:27.810-06:00I know it's more modern-aged, like Civil War, ...I know it's more modern-aged, like Civil War, which I didn't even try to read.....but I tried to read the Neal Adams' Batman: Odyssey mini a while back, but didn't make it past the third issue. I wanted to stop after the first one, but I thought I'd give it a chance to develop. Couldn't imagine going through the entire series.<br /><br />Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10547751537787941998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-69485099549211691912014-02-04T18:22:29.622-06:002014-02-04T18:22:29.622-06:00Ray's mention of WILD DOG brought to mind a di...Ray's mention of WILD DOG brought to mind a disturbing maxi-series from Marvel that I never enjoyed-- even though I bought the whole thing: FOOLKILLER. <br /><br />I do think we've touched on it before at some point in the past-- but geesh, relentlessly unhappy, grim, bleak storyline. . . a protagonist who was neither charismatic, compelling, or sympathetic. . . and barely mediocre art. Plus I think some of the issues may have been printed w/ that experimental, over-bright color separation process that was so garish and unpleasant (I think, at least-). A forever-long series that had nothing at all to speak for it.<br /><br />Good call on ICEMAN, Rip! Although the fact that it was Iceman (featuring Bobby's foray into wanting to be an accountant, of all things) still made it enough of a curiousity to sustain a bit of interest.<br /><br />HBHumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-85615902370111607702014-02-04T17:56:45.568-06:002014-02-04T17:56:45.568-06:00I have to go modern on this because as disappointe...I have to go modern on this because as disappointed I was in Secret Wars, SW2, Contest of Champions and Civil War, the all-time worst was Age of Ultron. I actually enjoyed each issue until the last issue...and no resolution. Nothing but a lead-in to the next miniseries. I was so angry that I emailed Marvel and demanded my money back and dropped their titles from my pull-list. Still haven't read a Marvel book since...actually it drove me almost exclusively back to my Bronze Age comics.Logannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-42743293432854593002014-02-04T17:42:32.518-06:002014-02-04T17:42:32.518-06:00I cannot adequately express how much I hated "...I cannot adequately express how much I hated "Wild Dog" by Max Allan Collins and Terry Beatty. I didn't even bother to buy the final issue, which revealed the title character's secret identity, because I by that time could not care less. I found the series utterly reprehensible in the way it glorified vigilantism and unashamedly presented a hockey mask wearing, automatic weapon wielding murderer as a hero of the common man. Ray Tomczakhttp://guttertalkcomicsblog.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-5474378509482532102014-02-04T15:43:04.581-06:002014-02-04T15:43:04.581-06:00I have to reach beyond the Bronze Age for my choic...I have to reach beyond the Bronze Age for my choice, because for all their clunkiness the Bronze Age limiteds all have some charm, usually giving some character a shot at the big time, if in a flawed fashion. <br /><br />The limiteds that really burn me are the money-grabs like Dark Horse did with the Conan license. They had a major mainline story going in the core title but kept layering on limiteds by other lesser talents that had no business being four issues long. It felt like they were intentionally stealing my money and so I eventually dropped it all. <br /><br />Of the old Bronze Age limiteds, I've seen Hawkeye get some heat, but I rather liked it, though I see the criticism. Some of the X-Men limiteds were pretty random, the weakest being the Iceman one. Angel never got one, though he deserved it. <br /><br />Rip OffRip Jaggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09936426877024852134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-41547426623839755692014-02-04T15:13:05.029-06:002014-02-04T15:13:05.029-06:00Rusty --
Bought the whole thing (may even still o...Rusty --<br /><br />Bought the whole thing (may even still own it!) and not a single thing you said rang a bell.<br /><br />Truly the hallmark of one of the worst mini-series I ever bought.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-23164301475327548212014-02-04T15:06:36.959-06:002014-02-04T15:06:36.959-06:00Make mine Millennium. Rushed-looking, occasionall...Make mine Millennium. Rushed-looking, occasionally sloppy art; key developments that didn't take place in the mini-series itself but in one of the tie-ins; that whole lecture about counting from 1 to 10 and the nature of the universe; Gregorio the limp-wristed stereotype; that terribly unconvincing speech by Superman in the first issue somehow persuading everybody that letting aliens decide the future of humanity is a great idea; and of course the rotten foundation of the whole series: the way it was all leading up to the creation of the New Guardians, possibly the least interesting super-team ever.<br /><br />RustyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-14624873777646943832014-02-04T14:41:24.761-06:002014-02-04T14:41:24.761-06:00Edo:
This is what I'm talking about. Are we ...Edo:<br /><br /><a href="http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/World_of_Krypton_Vol_2" rel="nofollow">This is what I'm talking about.</a> Are we discussing the same mini?<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-15229071653037633832014-02-04T13:40:51.292-06:002014-02-04T13:40:51.292-06:00Contest of champions was supposed to tie in with t...Contest of champions was supposed to tie in with the 1980 Moscow Summer Olympics. When the US boycotted them in protest over the USSR invading Afghanistan, Marvel put the project on hold until 82. I have no idea how they were planning on tying in with the actual Olympics. I don't see how it would have been much better. Maybe not the worst miniseries, but one of my biggest letdowns. Having every Marvel hero in a miniseries should have been cool. But mostly they hung around while a few guys went off looking for some medallion thing.<br /><br />I was lucky to have bailed out of SW2 after the first issue. I was getting out of comics at that point. no way was I going to start buying a bunch of new comics.<br /><br />I had a lot of first issues of miniseries that I couldn't get interested in. One I used to have was from the Questprobe series with the hulk. It was based on a videogame. <br /><br />AlanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-40816705700181840282014-02-04T13:38:03.361-06:002014-02-04T13:38:03.361-06:00David, I kind of liked the first Hawkeye mini, and...David, I kind of liked the first Hawkeye mini, and I also like Mockingbird - and I liked the fact that Clint, after having such bad luck with Natasha and then Wanda, finally got lucky at love (at least for a while). However, I agree with you about that solo story in Avengers #189 - great fun.<br /><br />Doug, I have the World of Krypton mini in a tpb, and it's actually a pretty solid SF story. And that whole book is pretty nice, as it also has a bunch of Krypton stories that appeared as back-ups in the various Superman books in the '70s.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-57426126642899492962014-02-04T13:33:24.533-06:002014-02-04T13:33:24.533-06:00Mr. Oyola, for a brief few months, I tried out X-M...Mr. Oyola, for a brief few months, I tried out X-Men with both those 'vs FF' and 'vs Avengers' limited series.<br /><br />Yep, both dull and self-important.<br /><br />Pure 'Oooo, more pages of Wolverine going off on some character, it'll sell like hotcakes' schlock.<br /><br />Gave 'em away quickly. Typically if you want to tally the worst of mini-series, just casually look at eBay pricing and those dollar bin boxes at LCS's.<br /><br />Actually pretty over-priced for dollar bins.<br /><br />Frankly, I won't have much to offer for the upcoming favorites column, other than WCA and perhaps the four Tales of the Titans 'Origins' issues. Nothing else really impressed me, but I heard the Hercules one was sweet.<br /><br />AHHHH, forgot one..:<br /><br />Vision and Scarlet Witch 12-issue limited series (the 2nd one..). <br /><br />Terrible Milgrom art, terrible story.<br /><br />{gasp..gag..gasp..}david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.com