tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post8132807930360686436..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: BAB Firsts (the 1st Versus): Who ya Got? Kang the Conqueror or Ultron?Doughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-55058730032504170592015-01-19T20:22:19.646-06:002015-01-19T20:22:19.646-06:00I will tilt J.A."s 51%/49% the other way. Giv... I will tilt J.A."s 51%/49% the other way. Give the slight edge to Kang, on the strength of Englehart's Kang wars. Loved the whole Wild West adventure, and Giant Size Avengers 2 is just a classic. Not to neglect Ultron, though; his appearances elicit the creeps in me like no other...Redartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221459636234713619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-18884362992319050872015-01-19T16:30:45.619-06:002015-01-19T16:30:45.619-06:00Boy, remember during the Celestial Madonna arc tha...Boy, remember during the Celestial Madonna arc that they almost worked in an even closer Dr Doom angle? Like, that Doom was also part of that whole Rama Tut/Kang/Immortus sequence?? GS Avengers #3's original cover concept even hi-lighted that (near) twist!<br /><br />My experience is very similar to Doug's. GS AVengers #4 really had me going "Oh, come on, already" with its extremely poorly-thought-out, sit-com worthy level of momentary timestream hopping. And then Crosstime Kangs was pretty a much a point of no return for my disinvestment in the character. 'Cause he wasn't even a character anymore-- he was a rather idiotic, fractious Congressional Body. A perfect example of how making the universe ever bigger and more complex does absolutely nothing for raising the storytelling stakes.<br /><br />HB Humanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-48680856042603789692015-01-19T12:46:15.487-06:002015-01-19T12:46:15.487-06:00I kind of gravitate toward Kang, but his overall s...I kind of gravitate toward Kang, but his overall story is so convoluted it's almost impossible to follow.<br /><br />Eventually, I predict it'll be revealed that Ultron IS Kang...it's the only logical conclusion :)<br /><br />Mike W.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-62844979323693447792015-01-19T11:02:41.302-06:002015-01-19T11:02:41.302-06:00Although I don't remember its particulars, I d...Although I don't remember its particulars, I do remember being mightily unwilling to buy into the Ultron vs Daredevil ACTS OF VENGEANCE arc in DD's book. Ann Nocenti, around issue #275 or so, I believe. <br /><br />DD eventually beats Ulty by knocking (or prying) his block off. <br /><br />There is Just.<br />No. <br />Way.<br /><br />HBHumanbellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-61629551993198478762015-01-19T10:29:29.483-06:002015-01-19T10:29:29.483-06:00I'm going to pick Ultron, but it's a close...I'm going to pick Ultron, but it's a close call, let's say the robot wins 51% to 49%. I think the Kang stories have been better, but Ultron is more of a menace all by himself, whereas Kang always needs minions.<br /><br />Having said that, I think Ultron works best as an enemy of Pym or the Vision rather than a straight-up Avengers villain. <br />J.A. Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800901321134394272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-45595712989826426982015-01-19T07:37:16.739-06:002015-01-19T07:37:16.739-06:00Much as I like all of the Kang stories I've re...Much as I like all of the Kang stories I've read (including, yes, Celestial Madonna and also Stern's Time and Again), I think I prefer Ultron as well. He's just such a worthy, and scary, adversary who needs the Earth's mightiest to take him down. And the best Ultron stories, like the one in which Vision is introduced, the Bride, or This Evil Undying, are among my favorite Avengers stories in general.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-89912911075327526502015-01-19T06:24:38.116-06:002015-01-19T06:24:38.116-06:00Gosh, I can't believe this post got such meage...Gosh, I can't believe this post got such meager response the first time around (although I guess it does have a certain appeal to the more Avengers-centric contingent-- but maybe not to everybody).<br /><br />Short answer for me is Ultron, 'cause for most of his appearances he's sort of "made sense" in how he was used, even maybe when not being written so well. Kang has that incredibly long history with the Avengers, but the character has become so impossibly hyperbolic and far-reaching and ridiculously powerful over the years that he's become completely impossible to buy on any level whatsoever. Sure, plausibility is a fleeting, malleable thing in comics-- but the whole "Conquerer of a thousand thousand worlds" schtick is, well, stupid. Logistically stupid. He's still one man, and since we tend to witness his martial, military style of conquest, it's clear that all of his accomplishments (apart from simple "conquest") would take him, literally, a couple of million years of working 60-70 hour weeks (say). And that's just his "Kang" incarnation. No, honestly he's just too big and broad and represents a villain-option well that has been dipped into too often (boy, and sometimes by writers that have not a great grasp of his history or of conventional time-travel fiction dynamics). <br /><br />And c'mon, the man has supposedly conquered trillions of people throughout the multiverse-- worlds that surely had their own heroes banded together-- and yet time & again he is defeated by (and thus obsessed with) a varying group of 4 or 5 or 8 or 12 heroes from Marvel Earth? I guess Kang Dynasty did at least paint a more realistic picture of how that kind of scenario really should have played out much earlier on. . . <br /><br />HB (now I'm off to work!)Hunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-64074129488596369542011-02-18T11:52:06.421-06:002011-02-18T11:52:06.421-06:00" Ultron.. we would have words with thee &quo..." Ultron.. we would have words with thee " <br /><br />Still one of my favorite lines.<br /><br />Nice to be reminded of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-1555697828450622482010-02-17T15:23:37.954-06:002010-02-17T15:23:37.954-06:00I favor Kang over Ultron. Kang is more complicated...I favor Kang over Ultron. Kang is more complicated and has more storytelling potential. Ultron has the Oedipal complex, a Berserker-like desire to destroy human life, and that's pretty much it. Any story that features Ultron as the sole villain will unavoidably have trite moments in it because the heroes attack the robot. Englehart's Ultron story that started off WEST COAST AVENGERS and continued as a subplot was good because it involved fights against Ultron's allies and featured a "good" Ultron.<br /><br />The best Kang storyline, IMO, was the last one in Englehart's AVENGERS. Busiek's Kang War storyline was damaged by the weak ending and its overall predictability.<br /><br />SRSSteven R. Stahlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03455970917202165964noreply@blogger.com