tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post8217523683492771809..comments2024-03-19T10:41:35.976-05:00Comments on Bronze Age Babies: Discuss: Star Trek: VoyagerDoughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-59422864550536017142013-03-14T16:03:23.188-05:002013-03-14T16:03:23.188-05:00Though Jeri Ryan's outfit was ridiculous (the ...Though Jeri Ryan's outfit was ridiculous (the "pneumatic" emphasis aside, they stuck her in high heels, which made sense neither as a Borg or a crewmate), the actress brought strong acting chops to the role. Like T'Pol on Enterprise: yeah, the show (increasingly) emphasized her physique, but you could tell the actress was smart about how she played the role. (If we ever talk about Enterprise: that show had a much stronger cast.)William Prestonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07896164917625191919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-58352314942847107802013-03-14T10:17:25.577-05:002013-03-14T10:17:25.577-05:00I loved Deep Space Nine, but Voyager did nothing f...I loved Deep Space Nine, but Voyager did nothing for me. It lacked the episodic storytelling and the darker tone that made DS9 so compelling. <br /><br />I gave up on Voyager pretty quickly. I didn't find it bad so much as boring - the characters and the concept just didn't click with me. Brucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-67706288393467712932013-03-14T08:18:05.020-05:002013-03-14T08:18:05.020-05:00William, Pat and Rip, I surmise you bring up the b...William, Pat and Rip, I surmise you bring up the best points here.<br /><br />Despite it's provocative premise, limited resources, fractions on the ship, etc.., it could have resulted in the best 'break-out-of-the-cushy-mold' action figure franchise mode and entertain with stark drama in the mold of 'Dagger in the Mind', 'Miri', etc. Like TAS, it could have utilized some well-respected scifi writers in the industry.<br /><br />With Berman at the helm, it rested on franchise laurels and sold action figures. <br /><br />What I regret the most is, like DS9 before it, it took nearly all the creative spark from Next Generation, saturated the already tired, bloated franchise, and kept most folks from giving 'Enterprise' a chance. <br /><br />Hence my fondness of non-franchise, non-safe episodic story arcs of Babylon 5. david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-58305187199699671372013-03-14T06:46:19.619-05:002013-03-14T06:46:19.619-05:00Rick Berman said it best in the commentary about t...Rick Berman said it best in the commentary about the former actress set to portray Captain Janeway. If they had been creating a feature film, Genevieve would have been the perfect performer. However, in television, her acting subtleties are not well served in the daily grind of production. She didn’t have the patience or long term commitment required for the long hours that is necessary to create a show. <br />Fantastic Four Fan 4evernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-12084786492259810822013-03-14T06:38:28.212-05:002013-03-14T06:38:28.212-05:00I really liked Voyager because it had many differe...I really liked Voyager because it had many different good characters. I missed the departure of Kes and thought she should have remained on the show. However, the scripts became variations on what was done before. Voyager did bring back the Borg in a big way with Seven of Nine. I did like the character and was glad she didn’t take over the show. The Borg were utilized more in this show and I am glad they did come back. The only drawback to this show was that there could have been more of a romance between Chakotay and Janeway. During the last episode it was suggested that he would return his attention and develop a relationship with Seven of Nine. However that was in the last episode. I wish they had this relationship earlier in the show. <br /><br />Kate Mulgrew in the lead role of Janeway was one of the best decisions Paramount ever made in casting. The actress originally set to portray the beloved captain was a mistake. Genevieve Bujold did not have her heart in the role and it showed. I saw the footage in the Voyager Season One box set. Rick Berman and his crew were right. They did need a new captain after that. <br /><br />The show is still entertaining and when the box set are available retail at a reasonable price I might buy it and re-watch it again. I got the first season for twenty dollars at Wal Mart a few years back. The others were $40 each and I cannot and will not pay double and triple the price for a set that will in time come down to the under $20 price point someday. Although that wait will be long it will be worth it.Fantastic Four Fan 4evernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-88147572084075386882013-03-14T01:36:48.274-05:002013-03-14T01:36:48.274-05:00Easily the weakest of the franchises, this was a s...Easily the weakest of the franchises, this was a series I really looked forward to. One of the big problems with the Star Trek universe is the comfortable way the humans and others zing around the universe in vehicles that often feel more like indoor malls than spacecraft. They lack for nothing, there's no sense of an environment which might put a strain on a human or alien. Space is a thrill ride pure and simple. <br /><br />The early news on Voyager was that it might offer something else. A starship isolated from the fleet by an impossible distance, on its own and struggling just to survive. But sadly despite their limited access, they crew rarely seems deprived of anything they either need or want. Sure they stop a lot on planets and whatnot, or find traders, but they usually live pretty cozily as they zoom home. <br /><br />Space can be a pretty scary place. The first Star Trek offered up the idea of space as a warehouse for the imagination, an awesome expanse that humans were penetrating for the first time with profound consequences. Next Generation formalized that approach but after a few years began to stagnate around it. DS9 opened up the premise and freshened for a time. Voyager should've done the same, given the franchise the sense of hanging by a thread that comes across from the original from time time. But the didn't. <br /><br />That would have to wait for Entertprise, the best of the Star Trek series since the original in my mind. The one which really seems to present humans on the edge of discovery. Enterprise is in many ways, what I hoped Voyager would be. <br /><br />Rip OffRip Jaggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09936426877024852134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-71552834780901903482013-03-13T22:10:34.704-05:002013-03-13T22:10:34.704-05:00Let's just say, I like Enterprise better. . .
...Let's just say, I like Enterprise better. . .<br /><br />I think I gave this about three episodes and tried about one to two episodes each season after. . .Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-85806769659150451882013-03-13T21:04:37.554-05:002013-03-13T21:04:37.554-05:00Never saw it - and apparently I didn't miss mu...Never saw it - and apparently I didn't miss much!<br /><br />- Mike 'looking for some Romulan ale' from Trinidad & Tobago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-25321478894232997492013-03-13T17:58:12.479-05:002013-03-13T17:58:12.479-05:00I'n almost feeling sorry for Voyager getting k...I'n almost feeling sorry for Voyager getting kicked around like this! Doc Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08783244633195233970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-16927998091172121232013-03-13T16:49:18.558-05:002013-03-13T16:49:18.558-05:00I'm not so sure Edo! I watched it a couple tim...I'm not so sure Edo! I watched it a couple times, and the first I thought she was too quiet, but then...she has a calm strength, not as outward as Mulgrew. Could've been interesting to see where she'd take the role, and how it'd affect the rest of the cast. Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-58040432700429302102013-03-13T15:29:23.624-05:002013-03-13T15:29:23.624-05:00Established a strong series premise in the pilot. ...Established a strong series premise in the pilot. Divided crew, limited resources, unknown terrain... Systematically destroyed the series premise in every episode that followed.<br /><br />Makes you wonder why they introduced an idea if they didn't want to explore the idea....Pat Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787799814630339641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-73145111693299426232013-03-13T14:08:23.848-05:002013-03-13T14:08:23.848-05:00Garett, thanks for that link! Never saw that befor...Garett, thanks for that link! Never saw that before, but it confirms what I said above: I think Mulgrew was a better choice.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-18938208033258276342013-03-13T13:44:45.395-05:002013-03-13T13:44:45.395-05:00Thanks Edo--here's a filmed scene with Bujold ...Thanks Edo--here's a filmed scene with Bujold as captain:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SIZcDWKyw0<br />Quite different!Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-7592359153684125802013-03-13T13:37:22.658-05:002013-03-13T13:37:22.658-05:00I watched every episode, but I'd probably rank...I watched every episode, but I'd probably rank this last as far as all the Trek shows go. It had good episodes and bad ones, and some characters were more interesting than others. Probably the best parts of the show were the "character" moments: Tom and Harry's friendship, Neelix's goofiness, Seven and the Doctor's attempts to understand humanity.<br /><br />One of my favourite episodes was "Someone to Watch Over Me" where the Doctor talks Seven into asking some guy out on a date and it's a disaster...I loved when she cracked the lobster with her bare hands and when she dislocated the guy's shoulder while dancing with him!<br /><br />Mike W. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-64417594189897259562013-03-13T13:31:42.194-05:002013-03-13T13:31:42.194-05:00James, quite frankly, Babylon 5 was much more ente...James, quite frankly, Babylon 5 was much more entertaining to watch than the post-Next Gen characters/stories of the '90s. I liked the Boxleitner years best (Years 2-4). <br /><br />Much more serious and darker than Trek, the stories had more depth, the politics better defined, characters much more interesting.<br /><br />Only meant as a 5yr story arc to begin with, Straczynski always brought each season in under budget. <br /><br />How many scifi producers can claim that..?david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-11096478905721033482013-03-13T13:23:02.533-05:002013-03-13T13:23:02.533-05:00Garett, the actress initially cast to play Janeway...Garett, the actress initially cast to play Janeway was Genevieve Bujold - I think some scenes were even shot with her playing captain, because I remember seeing screen shots in a magazine a long time ago. To be honest, I'm glad she stepped down. I pretty much dislike Mulgrew in every other role I've seen her play, but I liked her here, and I think she really grew into the role and made it her own (just like Shatner with Kirk and Stewart with Picard).<br />Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-46525589872911413162013-03-13T13:05:25.664-05:002013-03-13T13:05:25.664-05:00This one comes in third for me, after TOS and Next...This one comes in third for me, after TOS and Next Gen. The captain would've been better played by another actress--I remember hearing they hired another actress, who started filming but was unable to continue. What if?<br /><br />I liked 7 of 9. She looked great, spiced the show up, and was an interesting new character type that hadn't been seen before on Trek. Vulcans, Klingons...done that. Chakotay the first officer was pretty good, and the doctor was again something new and entertaining. <br /><br />The premise of being lost in space was intriguing, and I was excited about the possibilities after dull Deep Space 9. But...never really happened with enough gusto. <br /><br />Who would've been a good '90s actress instead of Mulgrew? Geena Davis? I guess too big a star and not captain-y enough. Diane Lane?Garettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-78958082613978221712013-03-13T12:26:05.688-05:002013-03-13T12:26:05.688-05:00"up and down anatomy"? never heard that ..."up and down anatomy"? never heard that termDoc Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08783244633195233970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-12397352453913791162013-03-13T12:01:09.622-05:002013-03-13T12:01:09.622-05:00Karen, no argument about Nichelle Nichols...Karen, no argument about Nichelle Nichols...Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-9702602204494304492013-03-13T11:55:17.349-05:002013-03-13T11:55:17.349-05:00Karen, very well said and I could not agree more.
...Karen, very well said and I could not agree more.<br /><br /><br /><br />(Let's all excuse that STUPID fandago dance she performed Star Trek V..... It never happened.)<br /><br />[....As david_b waves his hand over the crowd using the Jedi mind trick..]david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-61351058238193015562013-03-13T11:47:24.313-05:002013-03-13T11:47:24.313-05:00David, I think that Roddenberry show was Genesis I...David, I think that Roddenberry show was Genesis II, with Mariette Hartley as the chick with two navels. It also had Ted Cassidy, aka Lurch, as a humongous Native American dude. <br /><br />They basically tried the Seven of Nine thing again on Enterprise with the Vulcan woman whose name escapes me. I thought both women had sort of harsh faces and up and down anatomy -like brooms with two large melons attached. But what do I know? It seems to me the most attractive female crew member award would still go to Nichelle Nichols, after all these years. A beautiful lady, who despite the ridiculous mini-skirt, seemed to always carry herself with dignity.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032477453891087135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-85874081084425107402013-03-13T11:32:14.420-05:002013-03-13T11:32:14.420-05:00Actually, another sidenote..: Gene did add Walter ...Actually, another sidenote..: Gene did add Walter Koenig to Trek's 2nd year to entice female viewers away from 'The Monkees'.., so yes, he wasn't above giving viewers what they wanted for ratings. <br /><br />But I'd like to think Trek progressed past that in 30yrs.<br /><br />Guess not.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-18575982486762088812013-03-13T11:26:37.788-05:002013-03-13T11:26:37.788-05:00Matt, Tom, you guys crack me up.
Nope, you're...Matt, Tom, you guys crack me up.<br /><br />Nope, you're right on the skin-flashing of the Original Series, no argument there. <br /><br />But, in perspective, the comparison of a '60s network show with occasional episodes with skin (or Next Gen with that crazy episode in it's first year with folks wearin' practically nothing..) and a '90s show specifically adding a regular character designed to capitalize on Borg coolness and large breasts. Not much of an argument, gents.<br /><br />In hindsight, didn't Rodenberry want to add a character in Genesis II with two-belly buttons, to nag the network censors about the inability to show 'em on primetime..? Some of you Trekkers should recall which pilot that was.<br /><br />Great discussion, everyone.david_bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218727673816200051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-68429599114897997852013-03-13T11:20:04.618-05:002013-03-13T11:20:04.618-05:00A couple of seasons? I gave up after a couple of e...A couple of seasons? I gave up after a couple of episodes. I've never been able to handle the real Katherine Hepburn's voice for more than a few minutes. This show was so dull that Mulgrew's irritating Hepburn impersonation is the only thing I remember about it.<br /><br />Contrast this mess with Babylon 5, which went from strength to strength in the 90's until the end of it's 4th season...and with probably a much smaller budget. <br /><br />James ChattertonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5293155946761960913.post-32671551630018557722013-03-13T11:06:19.202-05:002013-03-13T11:06:19.202-05:00I find the responses I've heard about this sho...I find the responses I've heard about this show over the years all the way to this article are very interesting. It seems like there are very few middle of the road opinions -- you either fervently loved this show, or not. I did not.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00772306756607189999noreply@blogger.com