Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Readers' Write (12): Spotlight On... Steve Gerber


While Karen and Doug are on vacation in January, our readers have been entrusted with carrying on the daily conversations.  Today's "Spotlight On..." is a do-it-yourselfer.  As we've done in the past, the first commenter gets to pick today's topic of conversation.

Generally speaking, "Spotlight On..." is for single creators.  For example, in the past we've started conversations on Rich Buckler, John Romita, and Joe Sinnott.  We'd appreciate conversations that lean toward the positive side of things; rip jobs should be avoided.  This is not to say that we don't tolerate honesty, but let's try to keep the focus on the meritorious aspect of a life spent in comics.

Thanks for holding it down for us!

Edo Bosnar puts today's Spotlight on Steve Gerber.

Monday, January 20, 2014

BAB Classic: Three Cows Shot Me Down! Avengers #93



NOTE:  This post was originally published on 1 November 2011.

Avengers #93 (November 1971)
"This Beachhead Earth!"
Roy Thomas-Neal Adams/Tom Palmer

Doug: Big changes are afoot in this installment, effendi! Not only do the Skrulls make their entrance, but the art takes a drastic turn with the takeover by the stylistic Neal Adams and Tom Palmer. And for those who take note of such things, this issue also marks the beginning of the "framed" cover period at Marvel.

Karen: Well, I never liked those "framed" covers -I always felt like too much art was lost. But unlike some of our BABsters, I really enjoy Neal Adams' artwork on our mighty Avengers. I think he and Tom Palmer did a fantastic job, giving this epic story a sense of grandeur it deserved.

Doug: I don't know that I necessarily like the framed covers as much as I like the fact that they represent an era in comics production, sort of like the go-go checks on DC's in the late 1960's, the "Still only 25c" call-outs on the tops of Marvels, etc. And we'll discuss Mr. Adams as we go through today's post, but count me among those in his adoration-club.

Doug: Today's book is really divided into two major parts. The introduction gives us the not-so-famous (because the line was never actually uttered) "three cows shot me down" splash page whereby the Vision stumbles into Avengers Mansion. Now if that seems somewhat confusing, given the fact that he, Quicksilver, Goliath, and the Scarlet Witch were seemingly fired by the Founders at the end of last issue, then hang in there. All will be made clear soon. As the Vision staggers, he mutters for help, then collapses. As Iron Man moves over to investigate, he reports that there is no pulse, nor breathing. Cap wonders aloud if that's normal -- after all, as an android the Vision perhaps shouldn't operate as a human would. I was struck here by the ignorance of the Founders in regard to the Vision -- but then, had they spent any real lengthy time with or around him since Avengers #57?

Karen: Very true, the Big Three at this point really didn't know the Vision all that well.

Doug: Suddenly our heroes are jolted by a voice -- one they don't seem to recognize. But upon further review, they determine that it belongs to one Dr. Henry Pym -- but on the scene as Ant-Man! His claim is that Iron Man had called a meeting of the original team. As Pym had founded the team in his Ant-Man guise, that's how he showed up. But seriously -- what did you think of that? While it's immediately obvious (as we get to the next part of the plot) what Neal Adams was going for visually, this came out of left field. By the way, Pym's entrance here will be replayed in part 1 of the "Bride of Ultron" saga much later.

Karen: Pym changed identities so often I didn't even give it any thought. Would it have made more sense for Yellowjacket to show up? Sure. We already knew his size-changing was having an effect on his health. So yeah, it might not seem to make sense but I don't feel it detracts too much from the story. Of course, it's actually essential for the plot that he be ant-sized, so even if he showed up as YJ, he'd have to shrink down anyway.

Doug: I suppose the answer could be as simple as Adams didn't want to draw Yellowjacket. Funny that only a few issues later, in the 100th anniversary edition, that there would be another call-out for the founding Avengers (along with everyone else).

Doug: The first major part of the book is Roy's and Neal's homage to the film "Fantastic Voyage", as Hank offers to enter the Vision's comatose (or dead) body to find out just what's ailing him. What follows is a 13-page romp through the various systems and component parts of the Vision. It's entertaining, although at times Roy's words are a bit over-the-top. I didn't agree completely with Adams' interpretation -- although at this time we didn't yet know that the Vision was a re-worked version of the Original Human Torch, Adams has said that was his intent (and left a few clues in this very tale). Of note is some sort of brace on the Vision's uvula... That being said, I just didn't go for some of the explanations of the way the Vision's body/systems worked. Yes, I know he was "improved" by Ultron-1, but it still seemed a bit off. The artwork here was beautiful, though -- much of that credit goes to Tom Palmer, who really enhanced Adams' pencils through the use of zipatone.

Karen: The vats of spheres that allowed Vizh to change density or mass were an interesting idea. I suppose they would flood through his entire body when he wanted to change? His insides looked more like a factory than a body. It seemed a bit contradictory at times -we know he has a heart but where was it? He has analogs to most human organs -a tongue, nasal passages, a brain -but the scene in the chest is completely different. Regardless of this, I still felt it all worked. There was a real sense of drama as Pym fought to make his way to the brain. Curious that Roy felt the need to have Pym declare his love of E.C. Comics though. Not sure where that came from, but these issues are filled to the brim with all sorts of references.

Doug: As the first chapter concludes, Ant-Man takes off just before the Vision awakens. As Vizh arises from the slab, it's a particularly powerful panel. He is dark and moody, and I believe for the first time his word balloons are fully-squared as we'd come to know them in the later 1970's. He's up, and he's not happy. He takes it right to the Founders, ridiculing them for their callous expulsion of the current team in the previous issue. Thor is the first to speak, and is incredulous at the accusation. Iron Man adds to the mystery by showing a letter from Jarvis -- his resignation. So the four begin to compare notes, and Vizh relates what happened after they were "fired".

Karen: This was good stuff, properly heavy and well-portrayed. I've been using the TPB for this review and I note that the coloring of Vision's head piece is yellow and not green. Looking at the original comic though, I see the mistake was made there first!

Doug: The erstwhile Avengers hopped in a car and headed north from the city, toward the farm where Carol Danvers had told Mar-Vell to go. Once there, the team had to hop a fence to get toward the farmhouse -- Clint took the lead and quickly separated himself from the other three heroes. Vision offered Wanda assistance, to which Pietro immediately lashed out. Shades of things to come. So the Vision lifted, and was almost immediately blasted from the sky, screaming. He fell in the midst of three cows. Wanda and Pietro hurried to his side, and as they did the cattle transformed into, of all things, the Fantastic Four! The FF attacked mercilessly, but with strange powers, as Ben stretched his arm to strike down Quicksilver! The Vision, still stunned, sunk beneath the earth's surface and lay in wait until their attackers had departed -- the baddies exited with Wanda and Pietro. When the coast was clear, the Vision had levitated his damaged body, and floated toward Avengers Mansion.

Karen: Pietro's reaction towards the Vision is thought by the android to be due to the sense of paranoia they are experiencing, but surely Thomas by this point had already figured out that the speedster would be on to his sister's feelings towards the Vision. I thought it was pretty cool the way Adams depicted the Vision's inert body floating back slowly to Avengers Mansion. What a sight that would be.

Doug: Creee-py. As we head into the concluding chapter, we find Mar-Vell imprisoned by three Skrulls, with Carol Danvers in the room, also a captive. The Skrulls spy Goliath approaching, and soon the FF is on the move toward him. Of course by now we know that the doppelgangers are Skrulls as well, and they make no effort to hide it -- their speech patterns alone give it away. Our pal Rick Jones is along with Clint, and he's the one who deduces that all ain't quite right. He's captured, and as he challenges "Mr. Fantastic", the secret is revealed. We then get a very brief recap of the conclusion of FF #2, and are told that a Skrull Hyperbeam revived the "cows". And it's about this time that the cavalry arrives -- in the form of Cap, Vizh, Iron Man, and Thor!

Karen: Isn't it great how this ties all the way back to FF #2? Roy's ingenuity with incorporating past elements into stories is among the best. The Skrulls' appearance seems almost to change from panel to panel -a mistake, or a comment on their fluid nature?

Doug: I don't know. One thing I was aware of throughout the book was the general size of the Skrulls. As I recall, Kirby had drawn them much smaller -- "little green men", if you will. Here they were large, muscular, and threatening. Maybe intergalactic war brings that out in people?

Doug: Mar-Vell works against his shackles, attempting to ignite the uni-beam on his wrist. By rubbing it against the metal encasing his arms, he's able to do just that -- he bounces it off some reflective surfaces in the room and is able to re-direct it back toward himself. Freeing himself, he then sets Carol loose. Mar-Vell then sets about the creation of an omni-wave projector in order to contact the Kree across hyperspace. He tells Carol that the omni-wave is not only a super-radio, but is potentially a powerful weapon -- one the Skrulls would love to have. So begins a series of split pages, with Mar-Vell doing his thing on the top, while we see the Avengers battle the fake FF on the bottom. I have to interject here that I really don't care for Adams' rendition of the FF, and particularly not for his version of the Thing. But as Mar-Vell is about to finish the projector, he suddenly destroys it! Carol is astounded, but then cryptically says "you know". Yep -- she was a Skrull who slipped up and called the Captain by his real name, when we're told that only the Avengers knew that. And Carol -- she is in fact the Super Skrull!


Karen: What did you think of the split pages as a story-telling device? On one hand, it was a bit annoying, yet I can't deny that it built tension. I agree with you completely regarding Adams' FF -they just don't look right. Not every artist is suited to all characters. How about the coloring when Mar-Vell is constructing the omni-wave? I thought that green really gave the art a sense of something strange going on.

Doug: I was reading from the trade paperback, as well. I was sometimes confused by Adams panel lay-outs, particularly when he moved across the top and bottom halves of a page. The coloring on this particular lay-out made it obvious. I didn't particularly care for this portion of the story -- the way it was handled, I mean. But I want to make a general comment about the coloring. I think when Neal Adams arrived on the scene, comic book pictures became "art". By that, I mean more attention to detail was paid to lay-outs, coloring, etc. Where the four-color page had once been flat, now it leapt off the page. And a clarification -- by "flat", I don't mean the effort or action was flat. No way -- Kirby, John Buscema, DC's own masters -- no. I mean there was just a new visual dynamism from Adams and his subsequent imitators.

Doug: The Super Skrull takes down Captain Marvel at about the same time the Avengers defeat the Skrulls outside. Having what he needs, the Super Skrull reveals that the farmhouse is actually a cloak for a Skrull spaceship! As it begins to launch, Clint grows to his maximum height and attempts to pull the ship down. He's almost successful, but as fate would have it, the Pym growth serum wears off and Clint falls away. Thor saves him, but it's a defeated crew of Avengers who are left on Earth -- minus their ally Captain Marvel and two of their teammates!

Karen: One of my favorite panels of all time is that big shot from below of Goliath pounding on the Skrull UFO. That has such a feel of power and excitement. The ending left you wondering how our heroes would recover -and hey, what happened to the Vision?

Sunday, January 19, 2014

Readers' Write (11): Face-Off! John Lennon vs. Paul McCartney


While Karen and Doug are on vacation in January, our readers have been entrusted with carrying on the daily conversations.  Today's Face-Off is a do-it-yourselfer.  As we've done in the past, the first commenter gets to pick today's topic of conversation.

Generally speaking, Face-Off is for two singers, comic characters, bands, films, etc. to go up against each other.  For example, we've run a post that asked readers to choose between Captain America's two main partners:  Bucky Barnes and the Falcon.We've also discussed Medusa and Crystal as replacement's for the Invisible Girl.

Thanks for holding it down for us!

Graham wants to discuss the careers and overall merits of John Lennon and Paul McCartney.

As a secondary topic, David B. would like to discuss The Simpsons vs. Family Guy.

Saturday, January 18, 2014

Superman/Batman Movie Delayed to 2016


Doug:  Sheesh, this is becoming "Current Events Central" around here!  I may as well be considered "semi-retired" rather than on vacation!  Anyway, in case you didn't get the news a few hours ago, DC/Warner Bros. has decided to delay the release of Superman vs. Batman, Man of Steel II, or whatever the heck they're going to call it until 2016.  It had originally been in the works for a July 2015 release.  You can read CNN.com's report here.  Thoughts?


Readers' Write (10): True or False? Their Satanic Majesties Request by the Rolling Stones is Criminally Underrated.


While Karen and Doug are on vacation, our readers are setting the day's topic of conversation.  For our "True or False?" posts, the first commenter can pose a statement.  Of course, it should be somewhat controversial, and you of course do not have to believe the statement yourself.  The goal here is to stimulate some lively conversation.  In the past we've had conversations such as - "Rock is dead." and "Fantastic Four is the World's Greatest Comic Magazine."

Thanks for keeping things moving during our break!

Matt Celis says that Their Satanic Majesties Request is a criminally underrated album from the Rolling Stones.

Friday, January 17, 2014

Could This Be Enough to Get Me Back Into Marvel Legends?


Doug:  I just saw photos of a new Marvel Legends box set (Toys 'R' Us exclusive) featuring the original five X-Men in their "Xavier School" uniforms.  They are looking pretty good!  I have the box set that was released by Toy Biz around 15 years ago, but these look much better!  You can see all of the characters here.


BAB Classic: Nothing Ends a Relationship Like Cancellation!


NOTE:  This post was originally published on 2 November 2009

Doug: Today we'd like to take a look at some of the titles and characters we enjoyed as kids, but for one reason or another (generally the lack of the almighty dollar flowing into Marvel's or DC's coffers) they didn't last more than 2-3 years. And even within that timeframe, bi-monthly publishing, the dreaded deadline doom, rotating artists, etc. often made following these lovable titles difficult. Yes, we're talking about short-lived series, and why we liked them!

Doug: Three titles that I was somewhat fond of but that ended before I was done with them were Super-Villain Team-Up (17 issues -- I only recall that there were 15; I've only recently discovered the last two books, and here's why: #15 was published in November '78, but #16 didn't see the stands until May of 1979 and #17 was well after that, in June, 1980), The Champions (again, 17 issues, but more if read in continuity when Avengers #163 and an Iron Man Annual, plus Peter Parker #16-17 are factored in -- see the Champions Classic tpb's for the full bibliography), and DC's The Secret Society of Super-Villains (15 issues, but again more, if some Super-Team Family, et al. quarterlies are included).

Doug: I enjoyed SVTU because of the dynamic of Doom and Namor. Namor was such a confusing character to me as a youngster. Coming to the Marvel Universe largely after Tales To Astonish and Namor's solo book had passed on, my exposure to the character was in the FF story running through FF #'s 147-149. I was just always a little confused about whether Namor was a hero or a bad boy. I liked the introduction of the Shroud in SVTU, and felt there were possibilities for further exploration of him. Right when the title began to wane (and apparently was deep-sixed) was when I thought it was reaching it's potential -- Namor was gone and Doom was "teaming-up" with Magneto, and then the Red Skull. It had become a true team-up book. And then it ended. The two additional stories later (#'s 16-17) teamed the Skull with the Hate Monger.

Karen: Like you, I really enjoyed SVTU and had no idea issues 16 and 17 existed! Once they got away from the Doom-Namor relationship, I wasn't quite as interested. But it was a great book when it started, and very typical of the almost 'experimental' types of product Marvel was willing to put out in the 70s. I liked Steve Englehart's work on the title, and also wish that the Shroud had gone on to better things. He was a lot of fun - an amalgamation of the Shadow, Batman, and who knows what else!


Doug: The Champions was offbeat, but a nice smorgasbord of Avengers, X-Men, and the Ghost Rider (way before he was so over-exposed! -- back then he was just creepy). The art, while handled by George Tuska, Don Heck, and later a young John Byrne was usually good enough (best under Byrne's run, although I did sometimes enjoy Tuska's distinctive style) and the stories were fresh due to the orientation to the West Coast as opposed to NYC. The villains were fun -- some a little campy. The opening arc, with the Greek gods was good, and the introduction of Rampage and Swarm plus the stories with the Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, and the Griffen were good. I enjoyed the issues with Black Goliath and the Stilt-Man and the last story with the Sentinels evoked excitement due to the strong classic X-Men tie-in. Overall, and I said this above, the title could have gone on longer with some deeper characterization exploration and perhaps a tweaking of the line-up here or there.

Karen: I was always a sucker for team books, and Champions was no exception. Although I didn't think there was any real chemistry here, I did enjoy the later issues with John Byrne's art, and I thought they had potential.

Doug: As a kid I always identified with kid heroes and as a fan of the original Teen Titans series (when it picked back up after having been on hiatus for a few years -- this would be around issues #'s 47-53) I was excited to see Kid Flash starring in The Secret Society of Super-Villains. Captain Comet, while largely unknown to me, seemed pretty cool, and the inclusion of the Flash's Rogues Gallery (and other baddies, like Star Sapphire) made for a fun book month-to-month. The art was always steady (again, by Rich Buckler at times) month to month, if I recall. It's, again, one of those books that just seemed to stop showing up on the newsstand. And at the time this then-12 year-old couldn't help but wonder "why?".

Karen: How about Warlock?? That was one of my favorites! I still pull out my ragged copy of Marvel Two in One Annual #2 every so often to read that fantastic coda to the whole Warlock/Thanos saga. Truth be told, I sort of wish they had left those two characters there. I never felt anything that came after really measured up to that story. I recently picked up the Marvel Masterworks edition that has Marvel Premiere 1 and 2, Warlock 1-8, and Incredible Hulk 176-178. There's a very nice intro by Roy Thomas where he basically says the plan was always to write the character as "Jesus as a superhero". I was lucky enough to exchange some email with Mr. Thomas and get some more info about how Warlock was 'born'. Thomas planned to have the character around for about three years, then he would die, but be reborn. To be honest, I still can't believe none of the higher ups at Marvel didn't balk at the series, particularly the Hulk issues where we see the Last Supper and crucifixion! I guess things were different back then!

Karen: If nothing else, Warlock is a character that seems to be constantly transforming into a different character (via his cocoon). I've also found it bizarre, the leap from that Christ-Warlock to anti-church Warlock. But then again, he was facing a version of himself (Magus) that was so corrupt and evil, Warlock would rather die than become that! After his experiences with the Church, Magus, and Thanos, is it any surprise he went from idealist to pessimist?

Karen: Roy Thomas admits he was heavily influenced by Jesus Christ Superstar, at least the soundtrack. If I remember correctly, the musical Godspell was also out around that time. In fact, the early 70s were the era of the Jesus Freaks, and 'born-again' entered the language.The Hulk stories are really a trip; Hulk becomes an unwitting Judas, and goes bananas during the Last Supper of Warlock and his disciples. This brings the Man-Beast's (aka Satan's) soldiers, and they capture Warlock. He is crucified, while shouting, "High Evolutionary! Why have you abandoned me?" ! Hulk takes off with Warlock's body, which is back in his cocoon. Of course, three days later, he bursts free and sets things to right. then he takes off for space....where Jim Starlin found him.


Doug: Were Pip and Gamora part of this tale? As a kid I always knew of Warlock, had some Avengers and the aforementioned Marvel Two-In-One Annual with him guest-starring, but don't know much about him even today outside of the excellent article you wrote for Back Issue #34...

Karen: Pip and Gamora came about when Starlin started his series. Honestly, the only pre-Starlin Warlock books I could recommend would be Marvel Premiere 1 and 2, which are fairly interesting, what with introducing Counter Earth, and having some nice Gil Kane art; also the Hulk issues are just fun for the sheer audacity of doing the whole Christ story in comics form. Warlock 1-8 are OK but not really that interesting. The first couple of issues have Gil Kane art and are at least nice to look at. But the religious connections are heavy-handed and, at least today, seem pretty ridiculous. But if you are looking for a comic that really feels like a 70s product, it's this book. The youth movement, anti-government sentiment, groovy styles - it's all here.

Doug: Did you ever read The Man Called Nova? I got in on the first issue, and if memory serves at one time had the complete 25-issue run. It started out very well, with solid art by the brothers Buscema, but really tailed away for me when the pencilling went over to Carmine Infantino. While his Silver Age DC stuff is amazing, by the mid- to late-70's his skills had really declined. I also enjoyed the conclusion of the Nova story that ran in the pages of the Fantastic Four -- especially the battle between the Sphinx and Galactus! Don't mess with the Big G, baby!

Karen: Of course I read Nova! I actually started with issue 2 - I had to convince my mom to take me to a "head shop" to get it! I would agree with your estimation - good at the beginning but it dramatically tapered off in quality. I've never been an Infantino fan so I felt his pencils hurt the book. But I enjoyed Marv Wolfman's attempt to sort of re-create the early days of Spider-Man (teenage hero with problems) in a new book, in a new decade.
Doug: So, lots of angst among we young comics buyers of yesteryear. How about you, Faithful One? What were the series that ended before you were done loving on them?

Thursday, January 16, 2014

Alex Ross Does Amazing Spider-Man #1


Doug:  Just released in Marvel's April solicitations, Alex Ross's variant cover to the upcoming Amazing Spider-Man #1.


Readers' Write (9): Who's the Best...DVD Series You Own?


While Karen and Doug are on vacation in January, our readers have been entrusted with carrying on the daily conversations.  Today's "Who's the Best?" is a do-it-yourselfer.  As we've done in the past, the first commenter gets to pick today's topic of conversation.

Generally speaking, "Who's the Best?" is for historical topics.  For example, in the past we've started conversations such as "Who's the Best -- Thor Artist?" and "Who's the Best -- Frankenstein Monster?"  Start a conversation that is broad enough to elicit an ongoing conversation, and that even might lend itself to tangential musings.

Thanks for holding it down for us!

In an attempt to rescue today's post from the depths of indifference, Doug steps in to ask:  Who's the Best... DVD series you either own or wish to own?  He asks a follow-up question -- Who's the Best... TV program yet to make it to DVD?
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